God said this...God said that......

[Little Rik]

Actually when i was young and my parents push me to go to church i have been indoctrinated into all religious dogmas from the bible.
It took me quite sometime to realize the difference between a dogma and a truth.
I believe that Jesus was a great spiritual being but to say that he was send by God to save the humanity that is a lot of rubbish.
I already asked you to explain how it is possible for those who born before Jesus to be saved, and those who never heard of him or those who are unable to change religion like a muslim where conversion is dealt often with death but you came up with nothing that make any sense at all.
Now tell me............i do not believe in Jesus as the only savior but i worked my guts out all my life, i grew up two beautiful kids with my wife, i donate to charity, do you still think i will go to hell?

If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you will live your eternal life in hell. The great spiritual leader you mentioned above said so, since you see Him as a great spiritual leader, why do you believe He lied about who He is.

Jesus never lied.
Is you guys (priests, ayatollah, talebans, mullas, new christians, old christians, etc) that screw everything up.
Shiva, Krisna, Buddha, Jesus never talked about hell or any other evil rubbish.
Spiritual minded creature understand very well that God can not hate anyone therefore hell can not exist.
Are sick mind like you that in order to sit in the chairs of power invented all this rubbish.
You consider yourself an intermediary between God and the masses but God never give you that power nor gave you the power to twist the words of saints and turned them into dogmas.
One thing however exist and that is the karma low.
Unfortunately for you one day in this or in the next lifetime all the crap that you procrastinate will be spat back to you and here is the hell, but not an hell in the afterworld.
It will be here on the earth.

[Godscreated]

If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you will live your eternal life in hell. The great spiritual leader you mentioned above said so, since you see Him as a great spiritual leader, why do you believe He lied about who He is.

Jesus never lied.
Is you guys (priests, ayatollah, talebans, mullas, new christians, old christians, etc) that screw everything up.
Shiva, Krisna, Buddha, Jesus never talked about hell or any other evil rubbish.
Spiritual minded creature understand very well that God can not hate anyone therefore hell can not exist.
Are sick mind like you that in order to sit in the chairs of power invented all this rubbish.
You consider yourself an intermediary between God and the masses but God never give you that power nor gave you the power to twist the words of saints and turned them into dogmas.
One thing however exist and that is the karma low.
Unfortunately for you one day in this or in the next lifetime all the crap that you procrastinate will be spat back to you and here is the hell, but not an hell in the afterworld.
It will be here on the earth.

I agree god hates no one, however hate has nothing to do with it, judgement of the guilty, sin has to be payed for, either by the individual or accepting Christ as savior. Here are a few passages Where Christ spoke of hell.

Matt. 5:22 .... and whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Matt. 5:29 "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matt. 5:30 The same as 29 except it refers to the right hand.

Matt. 23:33 "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?

Matt. 25:44-46 "Then they themselves also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison,and did not take care of You?'
"Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
There are more in Matt., but this should be enough to show you what Christ had to say about hell. You yourself said, Christ does not lie. He did say, "You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." I know this saying of Christ was first about salvation, however it is applicable to the entire Gospel of Christ.

[Little Rik]

I agree god hates no one, however hate has nothing to do with it, judgement of the guilty, sin has to be payed for, either by the individual or accepting Christ as savior. Here are a few passages Where Christ spoke of hell.

You are very funny.
First you say............Here are a few passages Where Christ spoke of hell.............and then you quote what Matthew suppose to have said.
So is not Christ that say that but Matthew (maybe?).
You see what sort of confusion you make?
You are a very gullible guy into believing anything written and rewritten hundreds of times.
You know what happen when books are rewritten?
It is like bring back to life some food left over.
In order to give it new flavor people add some more salt or spices.
In this way everything change and after hundreds of times that a book has been rewritten has lost all the original message.
If Christ could see how his messages have been twisted and turned into religious dogma he would turn in his grave and get very angry.
He criticized priests and religions at every step and that is the reason why the priests push for his crucifixion.

You guys are doing so much damage that you have no idea.
Pedophiles are doing a lot of damage to religion as many people who were following you have now left you.
In the same way you are doing so much damage to spirituality.
But at the end reason will prevail and your religious dogmas will end up in the garbage bin of history.

[Godscreated]

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I agree god hates no one, however hate has nothing to do with it, judgement of the guilty, sin has to be payed for, either by the individual or accepting Christ as savior. Here are a few passages Where Christ spoke of hell.

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You are very funny.
First you say............Here are a few passages Where Christ spoke of hell.............and then you quote what Matthew suppose to have said.
So is not Christ that say that but Matthew (maybe?).
You see what sort of confusion you make?
You are a very gullible guy into believing anything written and rewritten hundreds of times.
You know what happen when books are rewritten?
It is like bring back to life some food left over.
In order to give it new flavor people add some more salt or spices.
In this way everything change and after hundreds of times that a book has been rewritten has lost all the original message.
If Christ could see how his messages have been twisted and turned into religious dogma he would turn in his grave and get very angry.
He criticized priests and religions at every step and that is the reason why the priests push for his crucifixion.

You guys are doing so much damage that you have no idea.
Pedophiles are doing a lot of damage to religion as many people who were following you have now left you.
In the same way you are doing so much damage to spirituality.
But at the end reason will prevail and your religious dogmas will end up in the garbage bin of history.

So Christ is still in the grave, want He be surprised to hear that. The rest you wrote means nothing until you state what you see as the truth.

[Cyberman]

But at the end reason will prevail and your religious dogmas will end up in the garbage bin of history.

I'll drink to that day!

[Minimalist]

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.

Are you one of those who doesn't study the Bible, let lone read it.

I'm trying to think of a more worthless endeavor than "studying" the fucking bible. Maybe studying the fucking koran but that is really the same thing.

Maybe flag pole sitting. That's pretty worthless.

[Tonus]

The rest you wrote means nothing until you state what you see as the truth.

Ack! Don't encourage him!!!

[Godscreated]

The rest you wrote means nothing until you state what you see as the truth.

Ack! Don't encourage him!!!

Sorry man, I would like to know what ideas I'm arguing against.

[Ryantology]

My God is not a fictional character. Your use of the fictional crime boss is a crime.

Ah, so you can finally do what no Christian has ever done and prove that your God exists in objective reality?

My use of the crime boss was to draw an exact behavioral parallel between your righteous God and criminal masterminds. Is it a crime to demonstrate that your God's behavior is actually worse than a crime boss?

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Sorry pal that's what you said, I stated it was impossible for the boss to create, like I said you need to read what I post not what you think I posted.

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Your crime boss has no power to do that, you were the one who brought the crime boss into this and assumed he had the power. You were the one who said the crime boss would be morally correct, it was myself who said your crime boss was not capable of such powers and the argument from the crime boss was nothing short of stupid.

It doesn't matter if he has the powers or not. If he did, would such actions be moral? Is it moral for God to slaughter wantonly just because he has the power to create people?

You obviously believe this is the case, your repeated attempts to dodge the point of the question by pointing out its obviously fictional nature demonstrate this clearly.

They were tempted by Satan and scripture tells us God never tempts anyone. You can reason anything your little brain can come up with, want change a thing.

Scripture says, scripture says. You're stupid enough not to understand that (aside from the fact that it's a work of fiction), scripture is obviously biased for God and against Satan.

As a matter of fact many Nazis were against the jailing and treatment of the Jewish people. You couldn't come up with a responsible answer if your life depended on it.

As a matter of fact, the vast majority of Nazis had no problem with this. Neither did many Christian Germans. Or the Catholic Church. Persecuting Jews is, after all, what if not a beloved Christian past time?

We are told that Satan is so evil only the power of God holds him back from destroying the human race.

It is from scripture, I thought you said you knew the scriptures. When I look at the great evils in history I see Satan written all over it.

I know what your scriptures say. In fact, I seem to know a lot more of it than you do, if you really have forgotten all the parts where God orders innocents murdered.

No, I did not say that and you know it, so why are you trying to make it look like I said that, you're being dishonest. I gave you an answer to that question, didn't you like what I said, well of coarse not, it goes against your beliefs.

No, you gave me a dodge. I am asking why you make special exceptions for God when it comes to activities humans would treat as capital crimes. Why is it not a crime when God murders innocent people?

Murder is a sin according to God and, that commandment you'll want to toss out, God gave to man not to Himself, God takes life only after judgement through His righteous nature. Scripture says God can not sin, just how hard is this to understand.

In other words, murder is just fine, as long as God does it. Right?

God did not kill millions of innocent people. You need to bring proof of your statement, of those who died how do you know what sins they did or did not commit, please be specific on this so we can determine if they were sins or not.

Lets see:

How many died in the flood? How many were infants, or small children, incapable of sinning?

How many died in the Exodus massacre? How many of them were responsible for Pharaoh saying no to God? How many of them were infants or small children?

How many people have died of any cause not directly attributable to direct human behavior? How many children starve to death or waste away from diseases? Diseases they were born with, in many cases. If you believe in your God, and attribute him as you do with omnipotence and omniscience, who could act to save every one of them and instead decides to sit and watch them suffer, then each one of those is blood on God's hands.

Like I said your tripe is worthless, I will answer relevant questions, of coarse I did answer some ridiculous ones this time.

I think it's very relevant to discover that you are personally okay with brutal crimes as long as it's your favorite god making them happen. That's what you can't bring yourself to admit, but it's also what your own words said in the first place.

[Little Rik]

So Christ is still in the grave, want He be surprised to hear that. The rest you wrote means nothing until you state what you see as the truth.

You can find the truth when you put the theory to the test.
How you do?
Simple, you do or perform the practice and if the practice give you good result then you know that the theory was correct.
Religions lost the way to do the practice long long time ago and in the meantime have replaced it with worthless rituals like the rosary, the mass, the prayers and other things.
These rituals give you 0 (zero) positive results so at this stage where you guys screw all the things up you possibly can not expect that the practice related to your theory will give you any positive result.
Is all too late for you?
No, of course is not as the old saying............IS NEVER TOO LATE.
Hell does not exist except on this earth where you are the maker of your own destiny so you are always in time to change your destiny provided that you wake up and grow up.

One day Buddha was crossing a large river with two of his disciples in a boat.
The two disciples and the Buddha were working very hard rowing but they realized that the boat was hardly making any progress so they ask the Buddha why.
The Buddha said to them.........THE ONLY WAY TO ADVANCE AND PROGRESS IS TO JETTISON THE WEIGHT.

That is also your very problem.
You carry on a huge weight that prevent you from advancing.
Once you jettison the weigh of your religious dogmas then you will be able to see the reality in the right perspective.