No verifiable evidence is the Christian position

[Chas]

Can you give an example?

See Richard Dawkins who made that claim.

Where did he make that claim?

[FallentoReason]

Pay attention to what's said here every day, trying not to look through your atheist coloured spectacles. ergo: I don't need to state it yet again. You already know it and deny it. /end

As far as I know, your reasons have been (1) in short: "Christianity makes me feel good" and (2) sincere faith is required for it to be of any value. The first point is trivial as the world doesn't revolve around you. The second point I addressed head-on in detail in my last post.

If that's all you have to explain yourself, then I rest my case. Your faith is unjustified (i.e. blind faith) and you have no reason to not *also* start believing in lawn-growing gnomes.

[Faith No More]

See Richard Dawkins who made that claim.

I googled "Richard Dawkins non-verifiable evidence" and "Richard Dawkins science accepts non-verifiable evidence" and couldn't find anything. Can you point me in the right direction of where he said that?

[fr0d0]

As far as I know, your reasons have been (1) in short: "Christianity makes me feel good" and (2) sincere faith is required for it to be of any value.

Yes you seem to make this stuff up instead of reading what I put.

[Chas]

Still waiting for your Dawkins citation ...

[FallentoReason]

As far as I know, your reasons have been (1) in short: "Christianity makes me feel good" and (2) sincere faith is required for it to be of any value.

Yes you seem to make this stuff up instead of reading what I put.

Alrighty. So, I've gone through the entire thread and read what you've posted. At around page 6 I got the idea of giving you kudos for every post I read, so that you don't have to rely on faith that I'm telling the truth

I tried my best to play this out in your favour where I could, with regards to finding the "reasons" for why you believe. Here's what I found:

The only real thing is faith, and the rational position. See Jesus affirming this all of the time. If you believe because you see it, then your faith is pretty worthless, and your potential to act because you understand why you believe is severely limited.

The first mention of faith being essential. I already said you offered this as a reason, and I addressed it accordingly. Moving on.

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Your response to Esquilax when he asked how you can be content with your belief in the unverifiable:

Because the position is entirely consistent with my world view and my belief, as yours should be to you.

And as I have been consistently pointing out for the past 5 pages: believing in lawn-growing gnomes is *also* consistent with your idea of the unverifiable. How you believe in one but not the other is still a mystery.

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A reason for why you believe in the Bible:

...This rich source if evidence all focuses on the same subject. Some is weak and some is unbreakably (so far) strong. We would have to gravitate toward the best answer or suffer cognitive dissonance. That's why I choose the bible as my source.

"Evidence all focuses on the same subject...we would have to gravitate toward the best answer..."

So I'm presuming you're saying the Bible is evidence of the unverifiable Judeo-Christian god, which to you is "the best answer". Let me just stop there for a second... hmmmm...

The Qu'ran is evidence of the unverifiable Allah.
The Vedas is evidence of the unverifiable Krishna, Vishnu etc.
The Book of the Dead is evidence of the unverifiable Osiris, Isis, Ra, Horus etc.

Of course, we somehow know these unverifiable entities are non-existent. No, hang on, we don't because they're unverifiable, which now means we enter question begging territory; why would you believe the Bible is evidence of the living YHWH (and all others aren't evidence for their deities) when the thing it points to is *unverifiable*? My lawn growing is evidence of unverifiable gnomes that make it grow. Start believing in them like you do the Judeo-Christian god if you want to be remotely consistent.

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The difference between unverifiable and non-existent:

The only way we'd consider the undetectable is if we reasoned it to be so. The non existent has no justification.

and example of this 'reasoning' you mention:

From questions that cannot be answered in any other way, such as purpose. Humanity has consistently and independently identified the subject

Now you're relying on your desires/(preferences) which we agreed don't have a say in it. Your desire for there to be an objective purpose to our lives doesn't make it an objective truth. And because this reasoning is fallacious, it means you still don't have an adequate reason for thinking the Judeo-Christian god's unverifiable attribute doesn't stem from pure non-existence (like the other gods of the world, as you would quite happily and *unjustifiably* believe).


That's all you've got to say for yourself:

(1) Faith is necessary //(but its initial application on a particular unverifiable entity is unjustified)
(2) Your world view is consistent //(but doesn't rule out belief in other unverifiable entities)
(3) The Bible points to "the best answer" //(*shrugs* just like other holy books and their deities)
(4) Your god isn't unverifiable because of non-existence, and you give a reason: you desire an objective purpose for your life ergo the Judeo-Christian god //(desires have no bearing on truth => the Judeo-Christian god's unverifiable attribute is still a plausible cause of non-existence)

4 unjustified reasons of which I can't accept as rational reasons for why today I should accept Jesus "the anointed" as my personal saviour who underwent human sacrifice for the sake of cleansing me of my sins, although I'll admit, still a better love story than Twilight

[ThomM]

This thread is a huge thank you to all non Christians who support us Christians (and possibly all theists) by constantly banging on about there not being any verifiable evidence of God.

No matter how many times you say it, there are still people out there with other idiotic ideas about there being verifiable evidence.

So thanks a lot guys, your support it very much appreciated!

AND as YOU noted - the idea that there is ANY verifiable evidence out there is IDIOTIC - since none exists

[FallentoReason]

Were there any other theists willing to take on the challenge?

By what logic do you come to the conclusion that the unverifiable Judeo-Christian god exists but an unverifiable lawn-growing gnome doesn't?

[The Reality Salesman01]

Were there any other theists willing to take on the challenge?

By what logic do you come to the conclusion that the unverifiable Judeo-Christian god exists but an unverifiable lawn-growing gnome doesn't?

Duh...The voice he talks to has told him that its not a lawn gnome. If you try really hard, you can convince yourself that you hear it too...

[FallentoReason]

Were there any other theists willing to take on the challenge?

By what logic do you come to the conclusion that the unverifiable Judeo-Christian god exists but an unverifiable lawn-growing gnome doesn't?

Duh...The voice he talks to has told him that its not a lawn gnome. If you try really hard, you can convince yourself that you hear it too...

Been there, done that I'm afraid!