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(September 22, 2013 at 10:21 am)yoleeena Wrote: For any grown adult to believe that such a perfect universe and such perfectly created human beings popped out of nowhere suddenly for absolutely no reason is much much more of an insult to mankind's intelligence

Others have covered this but I wanted to emphasize the word "suddenly". No one who thinks abiogenesis followed by evolution is the way we got here, thinks it happened "suddenly". Suddenly is the way all primitive creation stories imagine it. The best theories science can posit suggest it took billions of years.

I for one appreciate the tone you've taken in offering the video. What is missing for me is any idea of why you think it is interesting or important. Without getting a better idea of what you like about it -along with a better sense of who you are and why I should care what you think- I'm not likely to watch it. I'm just not much interested in religion. So thank you, but no thank you.
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#42
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I'll tell you what I have faith in, Yoleena. I have faith in your mind. I believe 100% that you DON'T believe in a winged creature flying a man to heaven, or that the moon split. You may have been conditioned to believe in all the other stories on a god and creation, but I have absolute faith that you question the validity of those two points. You HAVE to! It's just not believable in any way, shape, or form.
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.

JUST BELIEVE IT!
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#43
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(September 22, 2013 at 11:01 am)yoleeena Wrote: But I see something MORE logical than atheism
If I thought atheism was more logical and generally better, then believe me - BELIEVE me, I would have become an atheist.

But I see the faults in atheism that you people dont seem to see

I don't think it is really the logic that attracts you to Islam. First you were born into it and now, for whatever reason, you feel the need to come here and defend/promote it.

What you think of as the logic is simply the way your religion, like so many others, answers ALL the hard questions so comprehensively. Where did everything come from? Hint: it's a three letter word. How did He do that? A: It is a mystery beyond our understanding. Why should we be morally upright instead of total shits? A: Eternal reward instead of eternal damnation. So simple. But logical? Hardly. Glib is more like it.
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#44
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Your giving her a lot of credit....undeservedly.
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#45
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(September 22, 2013 at 10:21 am)yoleeena Wrote: For any grown adult to believe that such a perfect universe and such perfectly created human beings popped out of nowhere suddenly for absolutely no reason is much much more of an insult to mankind's intelligence

Phew! Thank god I don't think that, then.
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#46
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(September 22, 2013 at 11:09 am)yoleeena Wrote: so how can I say he couldnt lift Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a human being up to the heavens or that he couldnt give his Prophet the ability to split the moon in half?

Ah Muhammed. A truly inspirational prophet of God. Let us list the many fine accomplishments of this great man.

1.) Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine.
2.) Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
3.) Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped.
4.) Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.
5.) Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).
6.) Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
7.) Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
8.) Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
9.) Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
10.) Married his daughter – in – law.
11.) Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
12.) Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
13.) Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
14.) Advocated suicide attacks.
15.) Executed apostates and homosexuals.
16.) Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
17.) Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
18.) Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
19.) Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
20.) Tortured a man out of greed.
21.) Preached hate for people of other religions.
22.) Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

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#47
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I have issues with the :20 sec mark and the :35 sec mark where the guy implies what is wrong with the world.
0:20 > Don't ask any questions, just go with the flow and 0:35 Don't think too often, do exactly as you're told.

then later at 5:58 speaking about the Quran
5:58 > As He hand us our books and orders us to read!

Kinda seems like more of what is wrong with the world and only One has the right to "order" anyone, and it's not you, sorry...

I'm going to ask questions, no matter what and no matter who asks them.
1st question. Was the Quran written at the time of revelation or was it "compiled" at a much later date like the New Testament was?
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#48
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(September 22, 2013 at 11:09 am)yoleeena Wrote: If God created the universe and everything in it, I won't hesistate to believe that He, all-Powerful and able to do anything and everything, did that too
I won't hesitate
He created the human being to be so perfect and unparalled, so how can I say he couldnt lift Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a human being up to the heavens or that he couldnt give his Prophet the ability to split the moon in half?

This is what I mean by glib answers. They're easy. Way to easy to be believable. Where your argument here goes wrong is in the first sentence. That is one mightly big premise. Assuming God is all powerful everything goes. How very satisfying for you. As you rightly point out science will never give us is that kind of certainty. What it will give us is the most defensible theories given all the relevant and observable evidence. Science is for adults. If you need to believe that everything is simply explained, you aren't yet a peer of the realm. You need to mature. I encourage you to grow up.
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#49
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(September 22, 2013 at 12:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: Science is for adults.

And some bright children.

Quote:You need to mature. I encourage you to grow up.

But hey, she's, like totally, a woman! I mean, she's like sooooo old! She's 14 and have been married for 5 years already!
EDIT: Lolololllloololololllolloooloolo Wink)))
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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(September 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: But hey, she's, like totally, a woman! I mean, she's like sooooo old! She's 14 and have been married for 5 years already!
EDIT: Lolololllloololololllolloooloolo Wink)))

So old enough for boning by the standards of the Koran?
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