Lingvogeometry

[Monolens]

That's very interesting.

What fields of study currently use similar methodology? Linguistics? Semiotic studies?

Thank you.

This methodology is new for linguistics.
I think something close was used in Glossematics
At least my theory has a confirmation of main idea of glossematics: isomorphism of the language plans. The parallelism in the organization of sound and meaning in the human language.

[Monolens]

Or you could give the translation. In the translation you provided, there is no indication that those statements are being used as allegories for moon. I'm assuming there is more in the rest that does indicate it.

Regarding moon quests for children. I have already gave you translation. The indication that all given allegories are about the moon is in the header of the page, which can be translated as “Children quests about the moon”
You can use google translator to confirm it.

And its not my opinion that the Ashvins symbolize sunrise and sunset - that's how they are identified. And once more, try to remember, these objects don't connect to the sun - they are given as pairs of things and therefore connect to paired events.

Please prove with Rig-Veda text that Asvins are identified as sunset and sunrise.

What's funny is that neither of the links you gave suggest that the moon-rabbit legend had anything to do with Easter. In fact, the explanation for the Easter rabbit seems to have nothing to do with the moon rabbit.

Sure they don’t
But there is strong logic connection:
Rabbit is connected to the moon in many traditions.
The day of celebration of Easter is calculated by moon calendar.
The symbol of Easter is rabbit.
The Jesus and 12 Apostols is the allegory for 13 lunar months.
Jesus symbol is fish, which also can be read as rabbit.

Jesus name is Messiah, which is same to “mesyac” – the name of moon in Russian.

More than enough for smart person to understand that moon rabbit and Easter rabbit is the same rabbit.
And by the way. Do you know that Jesus was pictured as the crescent in many ancient graphics? Check this out:

Then solve small puzzle:
Lady with young jesus = lady with young crescent moon
Lady with young can be reduced.
Jesus = moon.
Simple.

Truth is pretty simple in both cases. The reason for moon-rabbit legend is because the markings on the moon look like a rabbit. Rabbit being a part of Easter is coincidental and has a completely different explanation.

If I wanted to inform you with existing explanation I would not call it opening, discovery, finding etc. At the moment this two cases are not connected together. And this is a new theory which is now being tested and proved.

And you ended up showing that it wasn't close at all. If you provide two examples to compare and contrast and the one intended to be the contrast ends up having greater resemblance, whatever "closeness" you were imagining doesn't exist.

I agreed it was not good example. I was trying to show that the shape of a boat is very close to the shape of the wishbone. But the contrast ends of the below object I just missed.

Actually, one has MSS while the other has MSC. So, no compliance. And the Hebrew name of Jesus would be Yeshua - not Messiah. Again, no compliance.

The sound “s” is transformed to “c”, “ch”, “sh” and even “t” in many cognate languages. No matter how you will say to Russian “mesyac” or “mesyas” it will be correctly understood.
Again you can remind yourself similar examples and see the predicted correlation.
MoSQue – the temple of lunar gays Muslims.
MoSCow – the city where lots of Christian temples have a crescent on its symbolic:

MoSKon - μόσχον – the bull in greek language
Remember Bible Golden calf story? This bull is called MaSeHa in Hebrew.
MoSQuitos – the creature which spends most of his lifetime in the water. Remember Moses who is “taken from the water” according to Bible?
Again coincidences? Not too many?

As a "scientist" you should understand that coincidence is a possible explanation for correlation. Just because two things appear correlated doesn't mean there is any actual causal relation between them.

I talk about many issues coincidental on same basis. Not one or two.

Actually, from the images I've seen, its imaged in form of a place - round and circular. The shape of those things is better described as a circle and not a crescent. And once again, "horns" don't automatically mean crescent. Once again, you are reaching.

So what is the form of below diadem? Where do you see the circle?


It is same as to nimbus (halo). If I would ask you what form it is, I’m sure you will answer it is round. But in 99% of images we do not see it is fully round. We only see crescent around the head. Only our imagination makes it round.
As a specialist in marketing, I will tell you. It’s not what you look at that matters, it’s what you see.


You look at “circular” nimbus, but you see semicircle crescent. And this is very very important if you want to understand what is religion really about.

Nope. There is a difference between a semi0circle and a crescent.

And what is that difference in terms of geometry?

By the way, do you know that the Bible is written about the moon from the first words? To hide this fact they had to include the appearance of sun two times into text.

Prove it.

Easy!
Just read the Bible:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

As you probably know that day and night, evening and morning are sun related developments. At least on the Earth. So I understand this chapter as a creation of the SUN.

Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

In this chapter god created plants, which as I hope you understand cannot exist without sunlight and everyday day to night change.
And now comes the trick I told you. God creates sun and moon. So the sun is created second time now. It is made by later re-righters who understood that if they leave text as it was, the sun is already created, but the moon is not.
It’s only possible when God itself is the moon which created everything due to story.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,
and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,
to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Sorry, not a crescent.
Even if it was, the shape is unimportant - the etymological root of the word has nothing to do with the moon.
And the name of the mechanism is the consequence - not the cause of the name of the bird. Therefore, even if "angle" was part of the mechanism, it still isn't a part of the word's etymology.

I can see that you misunderstood the methodic. It was written that words will come to given meanings in etymology OR semantic. Not AND.
So if the shape of given object corresponds to given examples then the rule is confirmed.
The shape of crane is similar to the shape of crescent:

By the way, do you remember how the Holy Spirit was appeared in Bible? In form of pigeon. You know why?
Same story. It has a shape similar to the shape of god – crescent.

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And also some cranes have a crown on his head

Also irrelevant. The "crowns" have nothing to do with naming the bird.

I did not say that. I just pointed your attention to the fact that words crown and crane have similar structure and objects they name have similar shape.

This bird is a divine bird in preislamic religions. There were three goddess Al-Manat, Al-Uzza and Al-Lat which were called “three honorable cranes”. One of this goddess was portrayed with two fishes on its head.

If you remember I told that fish is one of the ancient moon symbol. Jesus symbol is fish.

So? None of it is relevant to the word's etymology. Cranes being associated with fish is, in itself, quite trivial and meaningless.

So cranes were related to goddess as well as fish. Fish is a symbol of Jesus also. “Crane/fish” religion transformed to lunar Islam. So who is the Jesus? It is lunar deity. Why fish? Same source as rabbit. Ancient people were seeing the shape of fish on the moon. That is why this association occurred.

And what this shows us is that the semantic core of both is the PIE root *ghre- "grow" - which wasn't in your list.

Crescent was in my list. And “crescent” comes from “grow”.

Its quite simple - the crescent moon grows - which is why the word is derived from that root.

Yes! It is very simple. The name of process as we know it was taken from the moon characteristic - it grows!
GRoW = KoRoWa (cow)

Similarly, grass grows which is why its the name of its color is derived from that root. They're connected by a common root - but "crescent" itself is not the root for green.

I did not say that. I just showed that same phonetic structure words (crescent and green) have same basis in terms of etymology. I would never pay attention to this coincidence, but when there are tons of same “coincidences” it is becoming the rule that we cannot ignore.

Giving pictures of a few kinds of knives that vaguely resemble a crescent is not sufficient to establish a connection between the PIE root *ker and the shape itself. Especially since the root of the shape has already been established as independent from it. Once again, nice try, but no cigar.

Thanx

Through the etymology of the word crone we see the root *ker meaning "to cut", which gives us carnage which goes to carrion and then onto crone. Neither "crescent", nor its root nor its shape is significant here and showing the pictures of a few knives doesn't change that.

May be this can show you that “cut” comes very right.
CuT is phonetically close to GoD
Ukrainian “KuT” means “angle”
English “GooD” in Russian is “KoRoSHiy” which is “coincidently” close to “Crist/crescent”
Russian “KiT” is the type of fish, which is called “whale” in English. Compare it to “well” and “bull”
Russian “GoD” means “year”. Compare it to “ear” from below example.
Ukrainian “rock” means “year” while in English it means “stone” (the moon is the stone)
And what is the symbol of rock music? Right! Horned hand.
Did you know that this horned hand is the symbol of god in Christian and Buddhist tradition?
Jesus itself shows this sign on many pics. As well as Buddha. Interesting, isn’t it?





Below picture is not Photoshop. It is real picture from Russian Orthodox Church.
They pray to this symbol and count it as the symbol of Jesus.

Buddhists do same:

And here's why it fails your test - the root meaning of the word "Karna" is "ear". That's its semantic core. All derivative meanings are based on it meaning "ear". And despite your claim, the Rigveda does not use "ear" to symbolize a crescent or moon. Whenever and wherever something can be seen as an ear - as in "being led by the ear" the word karna can function as the root meaning. Thus its use as handle of a vessel or rudder of ship.

And the form of ear as well as for of handle is? Crescent like, semicircular. Again coincidence?
And most eared animal is believed to be the god in one of the biggest world cultures. Coincidence?

On other note - the shape of earrings are circular - not crescent. And they do not have a special form symbolizing respect - they are an accessory.

In modern world they are accessories. In ancient times nothing was done without symbolizing. It was our way of thinking.
The earrings are circular sure. But you never see full circle. You see only crescent. I told you before. It does not matter what you are looking at, but what you see matters.

It means "Summer Forest" - probably the reason for the name of the fruit based on its season. Once again, your moon analogy fails.

Please give correct hieroglyph word. I will check it.

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Just forgot one thing. What is the main characteristic of rabbit? Its ears!
Again god’s animal main feature is ears.
Next time when you will say somebody “Happy New Year” remember that in deed you say “Happy new ear” and congratulate person with first moon of new year

[Cyberman]

As you probably know that day and night, evening and morning are sun related developments. At least on the Earth.

Oh, at least!

And your picture of the perpendicular icthys looks less Leporidae and more gynaecological to me. Definitely heaven!

[Monolens]

As you probably know that day and night, evening and morning are sun related developments. At least on the Earth.

Oh, at least!

And your picture of the perpendicular icthys looks less Leporidae and more gynaecological to me. Definitely heaven!

Wow! Thanks for nice word - Leporid.
You know that Jesus is called Alpha in Bible. Alpha comes from Aleph which means “bull”
If you turn letter Alpha as I have turned icthys, you will see that bull also.
I claimed that it is also a rabbit and you conformed it by reminding the name “Lepus” as the name of rabbit genus.
Now compare LePus and aLePH. They are very phonetically close.
If you follow the dialog you can also recognize the similarity in hare/ear/year words.

[Cyberman]

Did you also know that if you take the lyrics from the first verse of "I Don't Like Mondays" by The Boomtown Rats, rearrange all the letters, add some more and take some away here and there, you get a recipe for rabbit stew?

I think I'm becoming convinced...

[Monolens]

Did you also know that if you take the lyrics from the first verse of "I Don't Like Mondays" by The Boomtown Rats, rearrange all the letters, add some more and take some away here and there, you get a recipe for rabbit stew?

I think I'm becoming convinced...

Goat bless you!

[Cyberman]

Well, at least it was only a goat. With just a couple more letters, that 'vertical smile' fish could have been even more appropriate.

[Angrboda]

He may be on to something. There's certainly a lot of bull here.

[genkaus]

Please prove with Rig-Veda text that Asvins are identified as sunset and sunrise.

That sounds like long and boring work - so I'm not gonna do that.
I will, however, point you to wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvins. Here you can find a list of references to Ashvins within the Rigveda. You can wade through that if you want.

Sure they don’t
But there is strong logic connection:
Rabbit is connected to the moon in many traditions.
The day of celebration of Easter is calculated by moon calendar.
The symbol of Easter is rabbit.
The Jesus and 12 Apostols is the allegory for 13 lunar months.
Jesus symbol is fish, which also can be read as rabbit.

Jesus name is Messiah, which is same to “mesyac” – the name of moon in Russian.

More than enough for smart person to understand that moon rabbit and Easter rabbit is the same rabbit.

Except, the reason rabbit is chosen as Easter symbol is because of its fertility and its association with springtime. The long, convoluted association between the moon rabbit and Easter rabbit doesn't work if there is a much simpler factual explanation for the latter.

And by the way. Do you know that Jesus was pictured as the crescent in many ancient graphics? Check this out:

Then solve small puzzle:
Lady with young jesus = lady with young crescent moon
Lady with young can be reduced.
Jesus = moon.
Simple.

And how do you intend to prove the first statement?

Sun, moon and stars are very common motifs in many ancient graphics. Doesn't mean they are hidden allegories for Jesus.

If I wanted to inform you with existing explanation I would not call it opening, discovery, finding etc. At the moment this two cases are not connected together. And this is a new theory which is now being tested and proved.

An already existing simple explanation for Easter rabbit implies there is no connection to the moon rabbit - thus making your "discovery" of a connection incorrect.

The sound “s” is transformed to “c”, “ch”, “sh” and even “t” in many cognate languages. No matter how you will say to Russian “mesyac” or “mesyas” it will be correctly understood.
Again you can remind yourself similar examples and see the predicted correlation.
MoSQue – the temple of lunar gays Muslims.
MoSCow – the city where lots of Christian temples have a crescent on its symbolic:

MoSKon - μόσχον – the bull in greek language
Remember Bible Golden calf story? This bull is called MaSeHa in Hebrew.
MoSQuitos – the creature which spends most of his lifetime in the water. Remember Moses who is “taken from the water” according to Bible?
Again coincidences? Not too many?

Not even a coincidence. The given examples all have different roots and little connection to each-other. Mosque is a derivative of Masjid. Moscow is named after a river - nothing to do with crescents or temples. And mosquito derives from *mu - "fly". Just because you can draw long convoluted connections between them doesn't mean there are any.

I talk about many issues coincidental on same basis. Not one or two.

Except, you haven't established the same "basis".

So what is the form of below diadem? Where do you see the circle?

Try looking from the top.

It is same as to nimbus (halo). If I would ask you what form it is, I’m sure you will answer it is round. But in 99% of images we do not see it is fully round. We only see crescent around the head. Only our imagination makes it round.
As a specialist in marketing, I will tell you. It’s not what you look at that matters, it’s what you see.

You look at “circular” nimbus, but you see semicircle crescent. And this is very very important if you want to understand what is religion really about.

Then that should be sufficient explanation. The artists don't draw crescents as symbols for divine - they attempt to draw halos which look like crescents from certain angle which, over time, have come to be misrepresented as crescents in actuality.

And what is that difference in terms of geometry?

One a circle minus half the circle. The other is a circle minus another circle.

As you probably know that day and night, evening and morning are sun related developments. At least on the Earth. So I understand this chapter as a creation of the SUN.

In this chapter god created plants, which as I hope you understand cannot exist without sunlight and everyday day to night change.
And now comes the trick I told you. God creates sun and moon. So the sun is created second time now. It is made by later re-righters who understood that if they leave text as it was, the sun is already created, but the moon is not.
It’s only possible when God itself is the moon which created everything due to story.

Loth as I am t defend the bible in any form, but here it is your or my knowledge that matters, but that of those who wrote the stuff.

An equally valid interpretation would be that the light source of the first day was neither sun nor moon nor stars. It was something else altogether that was divided into sun, moon and stars on fourth day. Which means god did not create the sun a second time.

Even if the first light did refer to the sun, the obvious conclusion would be that the sun was formed on the first day, then on the fourth, that light was divided into sun, stars and moon and thus sun was "recreated". What is not the solution here is that god was the moon to begin with. Sorry, nothing here indicates that the bible is all about the moon from the start.

I can see that you misunderstood the methodic. It was written that words will come to given meanings in etymology OR semantic. Not AND.
So if the shape of given object corresponds to given examples then the rule is confirmed.
The shape of crane is similar to the shape of crescent

I can see that you are moving the goalposts. The shape of the crane in flight does not figure in how it is named or the basic meaning of that name - so it does not qualify in etymology OR semantic.

By the way, do you remember how the Holy Spirit was appeared in Bible? In form of pigeon. You know why?
Same story. It has a shape similar to the shape of god – crescent.

Doves have been a symbol of purity due to their color and peaceful nature for quite a long time. That has nothing to do with the incidental shape of their wings. Otherwise, every bird out there would be similarly considered to symbolize the divine.

I did not say that. I just pointed your attention to the fact that words crown and crane have similar structure and objects they name have similar shape.

Again, meaningless. A lot of other birds have crowns as well. That one of them happens to be a subspecies of the type whose name somewhat sounds like "crown" signifies nothing.

So cranes were related to goddess as well as fish. Fish is a symbol of Jesus also. “Crane/fish” religion transformed to lunar Islam. So who is the Jesus? It is lunar deity. Why fish? Same source as rabbit. Ancient people were seeing the shape of fish on the moon. That is why this association occurred.

So there is a legend of moon-fish now? That's the first I'm hearing of it.

I'm assuming that in the pre-Islamic pantheon, different gods were associated with different animals. If so, finding one associated with crane/fish is no big deal.
And I understand Jesus is associated with fish because a lot of his disciples were fishermen and one of his miracles featured fish in a big way.
Concluding a universal theme of divinity associated with crane/fish is a stretch to begin with. Concluding "god is moon" from this is a whole different level of leaping.

Crescent was in my list. And “crescent” comes from “grow”.

Not the list you gave here.
Regardless, two words coming from the same root is not sufficient to prove your case. The words in your list must serve as the source.

Yes! It is very simple. The name of process as we know it was taken from the moon characteristic - it grows!
GRoW = KoRoWa (cow)

Is *ghre the root of Korowa? Can you provide evidence for this?

I did not say that. I just showed that same phonetic structure words (crescent and green) have same basis in terms of etymology. I would never pay attention to this coincidence, but when there are tons of same “coincidences” it is becoming the rule that we cannot ignore.

Phonetically similar words having a common etymological basis is to be expected. That's not a coincidence, that's how language works. If two words come form the same root, then they'll sound similar.

What your hypothesis seeks to establish is that that root - in etymology or meaning - would have one among your given list. And it doesn't.

May be this can show you that “cut” comes very right.
CuT is phonetically close to GoD
Ukrainian “KuT” means “angle”
English “GooD” in Russian is “KoRoSHiy” which is “coincidently” close to “Crist/crescent”
Russian “KiT” is the type of fish, which is called “whale” in English. Compare it to “well” and “bull”
Russian “GoD” means “year”. Compare it to “ear” from below example.
Ukrainian “rock” means “year” while in English it means “stone” (the moon is the stone)

Wow, that's a great deal of running around in circles. Cutting through the chase, you are supposed to show a meaningful relation between god and cut. Aside from saying they are phonetically similar - they aren't- you haven't given me anything.

And what is the symbol of rock music? Right! Horned hand.
Did you know that this horned hand is the symbol of god in Christian and Buddhist tradition?
Jesus itself shows this sign on many pics. As well as Buddha. Interesting, isn’t it?

Below picture is not Photoshop. It is real picture from Russian Orthodox Church.
They pray to this symbol and count it as the symbol of Jesus.

Except, that is not a symbol for god in the Buddhist tradition. That hand gesture is one of the many Mudras - hand gestures - prevalent in Asian religions. You can find many other examples of statues with different hand gestures.

And the form of ear as well as for of handle is? Crescent like, semicircular. Again coincidence?

Not even a coincidence. The shape of a handle isn't necessarily semicircular.

And most eared animal is believed to be the god in one of the biggest world cultures. Coincidence?

Again, not even a coincidence. In the Hindu mythological pantheon you'll find all sorts of animal gods - monkeys, snakes, horses, lions and so on. Having an elephant in the ranks is not exceptional.

In modern world they are accessories. In ancient times nothing was done without symbolizing. It was our way of thinking.
The earrings are circular sure. But you never see full circle. You see only crescent. I told you before. It does not matter what you are looking at, but what you see matters.

You do realize that you are ignoring a lot of actual evidence, don't you? The given earring are not and were not the only shapes used. So no, they don't always look like crescents. Thus, the conclusion of association with the crescent is invalid. Further, the crescent itself is a separate symbol and it signifies something else altogether.

Please give correct hieroglyph word. I will check it.

Sorry. I have no idea what that looks like.

Just forgot one thing. What is the main characteristic of rabbit? Its ears!
Again god’s animal main feature is ears.
Next time when you will say somebody “Happy New Year” remember that in deed you say “Happy new ear” and congratulate person with first moon of new year

How did you get to this ridiculous conclusion?

Wait. Let me guess.

God is moon. Moon is associated with rabbit. Therefore rabbit is god's animal. And its main characteristic is its ears.

You know, the official term for this is "Insane Troll Logic".

To start with, we're discussing the significance of "ear" in Sanskrit and there ears are not regarded as the main characteristic of rabbits. Secondly, the other god's animals - fish, crane, cows etc. do not have significant ears.
Thirdly, how exactly is the phonetic similarity of year and ear relevant?

[Cyberman]

Mate, your patience with all this wankery must not go unrecognised. You earned yourself a rep point, the hard way.