Evolution and Islam

[WesOlsen]

I dont blindly defend my religious faith .

Then please explain the distribution of endogenous retrovirus genetic sequences throughout the DNA of humans, chimpanzees and gorillas.

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as factual as anything else we accept as factual (such as the moon orbiting the sun).

Technically the moon orbits the earth not the sun. Earth orbits the sun.

Ha, genuine typo there, fortunately none of the muslims jumped on that opportunity

[Silver]

Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list .

It is extremely difficult for someone to make me want to be disrespectful to them, but you are actively trying your best.

[WesOlsen]

You do understand that those vaunted "different ideas" you talk about are nothing but old desert religious bullshit? I could care 0 about changing your idea but very well, I shall fart on your face, if you refuse, you are not open to 'new ideas'....

In this topic I have said many times that my religion does not contradict with evolution . You are just programmed to defend your mindset blindly and this is an evidence for me that the theory of "human" evolution is just philosophical ideology which is used against religious people .

Quran includes verses which can be detected to support evolution but still I dont accept it , because its not proven completely .

Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list , you need to learn speak politely with people .

But some bits of your religion do contradict evolution. The bits about humans being made out of clay for example.

You are just programmed to defend your mindset blindly

A classic feature of religion, which doesn't endorse critical thinking

this is an evidence for me that the theory of "human" evolution is just philosophical ideology which is used against religious people .

But it's not just a philosophical ideology. It's backed up by a wealth of empirical evidence from numerous branches of science. Why won't you just dedicate even half an hour researching evolution from some balanced sources? You must realise that evolution isn't some sneaky atheist trick that was invented to upset religious people. It was a discovery process that happened despite religion, and just so happens to challenge religious claims because it is backed up by hard scientific evidence. It is the accepted course of events in the developed world (more or less), not a minority viewpoint held on to by people who just hate islam for the sake of it. Evolution does not stem from the world of philosophy, it stems from the world of empirical evidence and has as much evidence to back it up as any cosmological theory that details orbit patterns of the planets.

[LastPoet]

Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list , you need to learn speak politely with people .

Don't do that! I am quite pleasant of a person

[Mister Agenda]

I think it may be helpful to clarify Nineteen's position. I don't think she is even aware that most of the people she's talking to don't understand what her position actually is. Like many (though still a minority) of Muslims, she accepts biological evolution as an explanation for the development of life, but she believes humans to be an exception, specially created by Allah. That is why she is giving the impression that she both accepts and rejects evolution.

Nineteen, please correct me if I am misrepresenting you. I've met many Muslims and understand that this is the position some of them hold, I'm thinking it is your postion as well from what you've said.

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Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list , you need to learn speak politely with people .

Don't do that! I am quite pleasant of a person

I think it was the farting in her face comment that turned her off. It's not a pleasant image to evoke in someone's mind.

[Cyberman]

Sigh.

Nineteen, what am I going to do with you?

I'm really finding it hard to keep up with you as you seem insistent on changing your position as much as I change my socks. Which is a lot, in case anyone gets the wrong idea.

What is so objectionable about embracing new ideas? People do that all the time, when presented with compelling enough reason. Your asking questions is a reasonable but only if you can stomach the answers that we are giving you. The problem you're trying to impose is you want us to accept your ideas merely at your word. That's neither reasonable nor the way it works.

Let's start by examining your claims and where they come from. You say that human evolution is an atheist conspiracy. Okay, I'm an atheist. Am I part of this conspiracy? You see, if you go around making claims about a group of people to their face, you bet your wig you have to justify them with some evidence. Nobody will get this reference but the late, great Tony Hancock, after his character in his radio show was accused of wrongdoing with the phrase "Men like you ought to be locked up", replied "I agree, but not without knowing why!"

So where did you get the idea that human evolution is an atheist conspiracy? Please point me in the direction of our accusers. I want to see what else they're saying.

Maybe, just maybe, they have an agenda of their own.

[Nineteen]

I think it may be helpful to clarify Nineteen's position. I don't think she is even aware that most of the people she's talking to don't understand what her position actually is. Like many (though still a minority) of Muslims, she accepts biological evolution as an explanation for the development of life, but she believes humans to be an exception, specially created by Allah. That is why she is giving the impression that she both accepts and rejects evolution.

Nineteen, please correct me if I am misrepresenting you. I've met many Muslims and understand that this is the position some of them hold, I'm thinking it is your postion as well from what you've said.

Yes you're misrepresenting me . But its partially correct .

[Bad Wolf]

Nineteen, grow some thick skin for god sake. You come on the internet, onto an atheist forum then make bold accusations and claims that you do not back up with evidence and then you get all huffy when we are rude to you.

[Kayenneh]

Nineteen, grow some thick skin for god sake. You come on the internet, onto an atheist forum then make bold accusations and claims that you do not back up with evidence and then you get all huffy when we are rude to you.

I disagree. Very few have been rude, pointing out stuff you should have learned in elementary biology is not rude.

[Nineteen]

I'm glad we are talking with each other on internet . Probably you would not allow me to speak anything in real life .