| Poll: Who governs the whole order of things on earth? This poll is closed. |
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If there is no God, then, one may ask
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 RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2013 at 1:17 pm by DOS.)
A simple question can put the atheists to stupor.
Who here voted for a man thinking he's governing something?  (December 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm)DOS Wrote: A simple question can put the atheists to stupor. I voted for C, a spoon. So not me  (December 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm)DOS Wrote: A simple question can put the atheists to stupor. A simple mind sees stupor instead of evasive mockery.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (December 10, 2013 at 2:38 am)max-greece Wrote: Where is the no-one or nothing option? Hahaha, you were expecting an honest poll! 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
Would be very interesting to hear the arguments of those who think it's a man who governs the whole order of things on earth and not God.
It's this guy:
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"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(December 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm)DOS Wrote: Would be very interesting to hear the arguments of those who think it's a man who governs the whole order of things on earth and not God. That all depends on what you mean. Arguments can be made about Man holding the keys to many things on earth, and I'm sure something could be said about our potential to bring earth as we know it to a hault. But as far as the governing laws we use to describe the usual order of things from our human perspective on earth, they are not things that are regularly manipulated. If they were, it wouldn't be very helpful to assume them as norms, would it? Now, God? I'm not sure what that adds to the question. We can either try to understand more about the earth so that we may have a more positive influence on what we can control, or we can insert God and profess it all to be unknowable and out of our control. The latter suggestion is intellectually bankrupt. The most honest approach to answering this rather silly question would be- There are things we do not understand, and others we do. Through our knowledge, we as men, can choose to control or ignore the matters within our scope of influence.  (December 10, 2013 at 2:22 am)DOS Wrote: Here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? I'll bet you are unable to see why this is a malformed, and fallacious question, huh? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. (December 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm)DOS Wrote: A simple question can put the atheists to stupor.Your loaded question assumes that an agent is governing anything at all. It would behoove you to compare and contrast-Prescriptive Vs. Descriptive with regards to the "laws" of the universe in relation to our human perception that gives them meaning. Absent a mind capable of reflection, the universe is absent of cognitive boundaries. Did this not occur to you as an obvious error in your attempt to stuff the universe in the front seat of a RC car? (December 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote:(December 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm)DOS Wrote: Would be very interesting to hear the arguments of those who think it's a man who governs the whole order of things on earth and not God. The question is not what man can or cannot. The question is - who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Your vote? |
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