Muslim Girls And Women

[paulpablo]

Where does it say that in the quran?

It is mentioned in the Qur'an that women shall cover their head and exposed parts of the body. Brother, you are a chemist working in a lab. The procedure asks you to wear lab glasses. You don't wear lab glasses and a chemical bursts in your eyes and makes you blind. Who's fault? Yours. If you wear your lab glasses and the chemical bursts and still hits your eyes, NOT your fault. You followed proper procedure.

Simple. Qur'an tells women they should cover themselves if they wish to be respected. If they don't cover themselves and they are raped? who's fault? Theirs.

That's the logic of the Qur'an. Qur'an is a telegraphic message it doesn't account for all possible situations. Muslims believe that a woman who doesn't cover herself is not worthy of ANY respect and is asking to be raped.

It tells men to lengthen their garments also but I don't believe it says any man who doesn't do this isn't worth respecting and to grope his balls.

[Cato]

Paulpablo,

You're still not understanding. Even though the behavior described is almost entirely contained in Islamic countries/cultures you are stating that the divine basis for the culture expressly prohibits the behavior engaged in by Islam's most ardent followers. Nobody can be this dense, I think you are just being coy.

If I take your word that Islam doesn't condone the behavior described, then what does that say about Islam's ability to influence the behavior of its professed believers? Impotent comes to mind. If Muslims can't follow the rules then the expectation that others see the light and join the fold is simply unrealistic.

[paulpablo]

Paulpablo,

You're still not understanding. Even though the behavior described is almost entirely contained in Islamic countries/cultures you are stating that the divine basis for the culture expressly prohibits the behavior engaged in by Islam's most ardent followers. Nobody can be this dense, I think you are just being coy.

If I take your word that Islam doesn't condone the behavior described, then what does that say about Islam's ability to influence the behavior of its professed believers? Impotent comes to mind. If Muslims can't follow the rules then the expectation that others see the light and join the fold is simply unrealistic.

You're saying that it's only islamic cultures where men see it as an excuse to rape women because they aren't covering up, this isn't really true as a lot of rapists or sex offenders blame the victim in some way.

You shouldn't take my word for it that Islam doesn't condone rape in anyway, I'm saying in all my time researching and arguing against Islam I've never thought a good argument would be that Islam condones rape, because I haven't seen that anywhere ever, in any Islamic document.

And I don't believe Islam does have a very good ability to influence the behavior of people I never said it does.

There are verses in the quran telling men what to wear aswell as women.

[Mr Greene]

Islam doesn't condone rape in anyway, I'm saying in all my time researching and arguing against Islam I've never thought a good argument would be that Islam condones rape, because I haven't seen that anywhere ever, in any Islamic document.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxDaBP5w...C6&index=2

[Chad32]

I think the idea that a woman's body doesn't belong to her husband is pretty new. It's sad, to say the least, that things that some people wouldn't imagine doing remorselessly are commonplace in other areas.

[Lemonvariable72]

Paulpablo,

You're still not understanding. Even though the behavior described is almost entirely contained in Islamic countries/cultures you are stating that the divine basis for the culture expressly prohibits the behavior engaged in by Islam's most ardent followers. Nobody can be this dense, I think you are just being coy.

If I take your word that Islam doesn't condone the behavior described, then what does that say about Islam's ability to influence the behavior of its professed believers? Impotent comes to mind. If Muslims can't follow the rules then the expectation that others see the light and join the fold is simply unrealistic.

You're saying that it's only islamic cultures where men see it as an excuse to rape women because they aren't covering up, this isn't really true as a lot of rapists or sex offenders blame the victim in some way.

You shouldn't take my word for it that Islam doesn't condone rape in anyway, I'm saying in all my time researching and arguing against Islam I've never thought a good argument would be that Islam condones rape, because I haven't seen that anywhere ever, in any Islamic document.

And I don't believe Islam does have a very good ability to influence the behavior of people I never said it does.

There are verses in the quran telling men what to wear aswell as women.

Paulpablo I know it is not in Qur'an, it is just a teaching exclusive to muslims. Many aslo teach that I wife cannot leave the house without her husbands permission

[paulpablo]

We have already had the discussion that some Muslims believe wives must consent to sex with their husbands which in my opinion is a belief which could obviously encourage rape.

But as for the topic which is what the thread is about, the religion of Islam doesn't encourage the rape of random women for the reason of not covering their faces.

[feeling]

Well if they believe it's gods will how can they not spread it.

[EgoRaptor]

Perhaps someone here can explain this too me, as I have a difficult understanding the point of view shared by muslim women when they saw they are religious. Why on earth would any women ever follow a religion and political system that teaches people you deserve to be raped if you do not wear a scarf on your head. That teaching makes me want to vomit, no women deserves rape PERIOD!

It do believe that it is because Islam demands women's submission. If you are a masochistic woman, naturally you would want to join a religion that mandates that a man dominate you.

Also, I should know this, being masochistic myself.

[paulpablo]

There's much better things to discuss when talking about some Muslim attitudes to rape, such as the need for male witnesses, or rapists being unpunished if they married the victim.

But just saying the religion of Islam says women who don't wear head coverings deserve to be raped, without providing any evidence from any Islamic document isn't really going to get you anywhere in a logical debate, apart from support from a few people on an atheist forum where getting support against Islam is like shooting fish in a barrel, this argument would be knocked down in a second on Islamic forums.