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I need a volunteer
#71
RE: I need a volunteer
(December 14, 2013 at 3:23 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(December 14, 2013 at 9:40 am)enrico Wrote: For me when the body die is like when i throw my car away and i continue my journey toward the goal with a different car.
In other words i never die.

In other words, to you life is cheap and this life is just a place to wipe your feet until the next one that someone convinced you you'll be getting. I can't begin to tell you how astonishingly dangerous such thinking is. I fully realise I used the word "thinking" quite wrongly there.


Eh, what's the matter with you?
You said to me that i should not say things that you never said and then now you make up stories about me.
Be serious please.
Life to me is something very important.
The vehicle (body) that i use in this life has got to be always in top nik or at least i try to keep it in that way but when this body rot away then i have no choice but to get a new one.
Better say that God will make sure that i get a new one in order to reach human emancipation and go back where i really belong.
This is my belief.
You may make up stories about it but that is your personal opinion not mine so according to your policy you should clearly state that that is your opinion alone. Wink Shades
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#72
RE: I need a volunteer
I once had a near death experience. It was like I was experiencing the spiritual realm all around me, there were bright halos of light around all the people and the sounds were all distorted. A feeling of profound profound peace and physical bliss overcame me and it was as if even a light contact to my skin caused me almost orgasmic pleasure. The colours were and fantastic and seemed to understand the universe in its beautiful completeness. I did wonder if it was heaven...

Actually, on remembering, that may not have been a near death experience, it may have been down to the hallucinogenic mushrooms, alcohol and weed which were in my system at the time.

Brain chemistry can do some weird things. Occam's razor suggests that is more likely.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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#73
RE: I need a volunteer
(December 14, 2013 at 10:28 am)Simon Moon Wrote: It looks like you ignored my post. So, I'll put it to you again.


It is not a question to ignore you.
It is rather a question to have the time to answer to all people as the time that i can spend on the computer is rather short.


Quote:Why when 3500 people a year get heart transplants, they don't begin to love the people that the donor person loved? They continue to love who and how they loved with their own heart, just like before the transplant.


Interesting question indeed.
A similar question came up years ago when someone ask me how a person could live without the pineal gland when this is removed considering that i was telling how the pineal gland is important for so many thing including spiritual progress.
There is also a dogma or false truth in the mind of Hindus that say that if you go to die in Varanasi you will not have to be reborn again so you will reach the nirvana (paradise).
You see, the truth is that Varanasi is composed of 2 words, vara and nasi and that mean the place between the pituary gland and the pineal gland along your spinal cord.
In other words it means that when you will manage to bring your consciousness between these two glands you will not need anymore to be reborn again and again which has nothing to do with going to Varanasi to die so when we say that the heart or such and such a gland are the places where this particular knowledge lies we also have to understand that is the level of consciousness that count and the level that has so far reached along our spinal cord.
This consciousness has an abstract place in your spinal cord.
Whether you remove a particular organ and replace it has therefore no importance on your consciousness which will stay the same.
The spinal cord is like a line in which the consciousness is measured but again you want see the consciousness if you try to see in a physical way as consciousness while it is real is also an abstract thing.


Quote:And why, when some people have damage done to their brains, sometimes their personalities change, including who and how they love?


You rightly say...........SOMETIME and not always.
This is due to their reactive momenta (reaction due to previous action).
This can also happen when the brain is not damage.
Things in the good or in the bad can happen any time.
An accident or a good news or something good or bad things can trigger and accelerate these reactive momenta so it is up to our karma (action and reaction) that changes occur. Smile
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#74
RE: I need a volunteer
WOO.

"This consciousness has an abstract place in your spinal cord."

WTF does that even mean? What about paraplegics or people who have a damaged spinal column?

You know what? Don't answer. You're so crazy it's bizzare how you've managed to get to however old you are without dying or killing several other people. Has anyone ever listened to you? And if anyone has, do you think they were as brain damaged as you or were they just joking to see how insane you actually are?

Didn't you say you were a nurse or something? Please, I beg you, give it up before you kill someone (assuming you're both a nurse and you haven't killed someone already).
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#75
RE: I need a volunteer
(December 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: WOO.

"This consciousness has an abstract place in your spinal cord."

WTF does that even mean? What about paraplegics or people who have a damaged spinal column?

You know what? Don't answer. You're so crazy it's bizzare how you've managed to get to however old you are without dying or killing several other people. Has anyone ever listened to you? And if anyone has, do you think they were as brain damaged as you or were they just joking to see how insane you actually are?

Didn't you say you were a nurse or something? Please, I beg you, give it up before you kill someone (assuming you're both a nurse and you haven't killed someone already).

Yeah that's bad news for all the Fmri researchers! All this time they thought it was the brain. Also for all the anaesthetists who all this time were wasting their time doing general anaesthesia when clearly an epidural would knock out the spine, the seat of consciousnes.

Wait, what?!
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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#76
RE: I need a volunteer
Enrico has always been crazy
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'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#77
RE: I need a volunteer
(December 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: WOO.

"This consciousness has an abstract place in your spinal cord."

WTF does that even mean? What about paraplegics or people who have a damaged spinal column?

Did you know a puppy's ears are in its legs?

I've run dozens of experiments which involve sawing off the puppy's legs - not always the same puppy - then taking it to the park and shouting "here, boy!" Every single time, without exception, the puppy stays exactly where I put it. Clearly it loses the ability to hear.

By the way, completely unrelated but anyone know where I can get some cheap puppies?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#78
RE: I need a volunteer
And I thought Pavlov was bad!
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#79
RE: I need a volunteer
I tried another experiment to see if I could make a dog come when I whistle. My case comes up on Friday.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#80
RE: I need a volunteer
(December 15, 2013 at 9:34 am)enrico Wrote:
(December 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: Here's my personal experience.
About 8 years ago I was in a rather bad motorcycle accident (a ute ran a red light and I hit it and was thrown over the bonnet (hood). Luckily I was wearing my safety gear as helmets are compulsory in Oz)
My injuries themselves weren't life threatening but, unfortunately, I discovered I had a weak heart which decided to stop. Fortunately there was an ambulance crew on site when it happened.
Now, my heart stopped for nearly two minutes. In that time I saw nothing. I wasn't conscious at all and I don't remember any of it. There were no visions of heaven, hell, nirvana or any other locations of an afterlife.
Again, this was a personal experience. As are all of those in the book you're giving us as an example. Should you believe my example, my experience as evidence that there's not an afterlife? No, you shouldn't. And I shouldn't take peoples' "experiences" as proof that there is.
There have, however, been scientific studies into the phenomenon and some of those have successfully recreated the vision people see in supposed "NDEs". Basically it can be traced, at least partially, to chemical releases in the dying brain. Note that I say "dying", because none of the people who have experienced NDEs are actually dead.


In previous posts and threads i already explained how the system works.
Everybody is different so everybody will have to experience different things.
God give you what you need according to your spiritual progress.
If you are not interested for the time being in spiritual progress why God should show you anything that would help you and facilitated your journey toward him?
It is like a love relationship so there is no wonder you did not experience anything.


Quote:Finally, I've heard the stories from Eben Alexander and while he is, indeed a Neurosurgeon I have doubts about his claims, especially as some have been debunked by his own ER doctor


In his book (Proof of Heaven) Eben A. explained how the system works or in this case how it does not works.
He said that to try to explain what he experienced is almost an impossible task.
It is like if for a day a monkey become human and then resumes his life as a monkey. Now at this stage he pretend to explain to other monkeys what he experienced during the time that his consciousness was human.
How could she do this considering that now she is again a monkey with a monkey consciousness ?
The same problem arise when he try to explain what happened during his NDE and what he experience with God.
That higher state of consciousness is in part behind him and beside how can a human understand what is too far from his-her consciousness.
An almost impossible task so there is no wonder that skeptics appear here and there.
It is only when someone develop his-her consciousness that is possible to grasp these sort of things. Confused Fall

This is the second time my bullshit meter has exploded.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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