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Are there any Level 1's here?
January 10, 2014 at 2:38 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2014 at 2:39 am by Justtristo.)
If you are not familar with the Dawkins scale spectrum of theistic probability, here it is.
Quote:1 Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5. Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
The question I wanted to ask if there is anybody here who would consider themselves being level 1 on the Dawkins scale and explain why they would state "I do not believe, I know".
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 10, 2014 at 2:41 am
Only my hairdresser knows for sure.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 10, 2014 at 2:41 am
(January 10, 2014 at 2:38 am)Justtristo Wrote: If you are not familar with the Dawkins scale spectrum of theistic probability, here it is.
Quote:1 Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5. Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
The question I wanted to ask if there is anybody here who would consider themselves being level 1 on the Dawkins scale and explain why they would state "I do not believe, I know". Somebody go find waldork I think he qualifies.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am
(January 10, 2014 at 2:38 am)Justtristo Wrote: If you are not familar with the Dawkins scale spectrum of theistic probability, here it is.
Quote:1 Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5. Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
The question I wanted to ask if there is anybody here who would consider themselves being level 1 on the Dawkins scale and explain why they would state "I do not believe, I know".
I'm one and will always be so. My personal relationship with Him has been extremely revealing. First comes faith, God leads us from that to belief and then to actual knowledge if we desire.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 3:03 am
The only thing your relationship with "Him" has revealed is that you have a head full of rocks.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 3:31 am
Yeah, I don't think knowledge works that way. Starting off having faith that you're right and then 'deciding to believe' isn't a very reliable test for knowledge. Really, I don't think 'belief' should work that way either. I can't even imagine what it would be like to decide to 'believe' something without having reason -not incentive mind you- but a concrete reason for thinking it true apart from what you might wish. Of course Christianity has been a dominant enough force in the landscape for long enough as to warp the meaning of that word. Now the muscular, Christian sense of belief has a prominent place in the dictionary even if it makes no sense at all in the world of ideas.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 3:49 am
And incidentally GC, knowledge is demonstrable, and you've repeatedly shown yourself unable/unwilling to demonstrate the existence of your god, so...
You've got an actual belief. I know it's kind of the hallmark of christianity, but let's not bastardize another word in service of bigging up a lie, shall we? 
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 11:22 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Godschild Wrote: I'm one and will always be so. My personal relationship with Him has been extremely revealing. First comes faith, God leads us from that to belief and then to actual knowledge if we desire.
GC
Then you do not understand the difference between belief and knowledge.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 11:34 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 2:38 am)Justtristo Wrote: If you are not familar with the Dawkins scale spectrum of theistic probability, here it is.
The question I wanted to ask if there is anybody here who would consider themselves being level 1 on the Dawkins scale and explain why they would state "I do not believe, I know".
I'm one and will always be so. My personal relationship with Him has been extremely revealing. First comes faith, God leads us from that to belief and then to actual knowledge if we desire.
GC
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RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 11, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Level 1?....
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