Are there any Level 1's here?

[Cato]

I'm one and will always be so. My personal relationship with Him has been extremely revealing. First comes faith, God leads us from that to belief and then to actual knowledge if we desire.

GC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

[Godscreated]

The only thing your relationship with "Him" has revealed is that you have a head full of rocks.

Diamonds are rocks.

GC

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Yeah, I don't think knowledge works that way. Starting off having faith that you're right and then 'deciding to believe' isn't a very reliable test for knowledge. Really, I don't think 'belief' should work that way either. I can't even imagine what it would be like to decide to 'believe' something without having reason -not incentive mind you- but a concrete reason for thinking it true apart from what you might wish. Of course Christianity has been a dominant enough force in the landscape for long enough as to warp the meaning of that word. Now the muscular, Christian sense of belief has a prominent place in the dictionary even if it makes no sense at all in the world of ideas.

I believe I said God lead.

GC

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I'm one and will always be so. My personal relationship with Him has been extremely revealing. First comes faith, God leads us from that to belief and then to actual knowledge if we desire.

GC

Then you do not understand the difference between belief and knowledge.

I understand what each means, what you do not understand is the abilities of God.

GC

[Angrboda]

The only thing your relationship with "Him" has revealed is that you have a head full of rocks.

Diamonds are rocks.

When you find a diamond that can think, you give a holler, okay?

[ShaMan]

My question is this; why would anyone step into this obvious ambush? If I were a "theist" (pick a brand) it would be silly of me to admit/confess my faith, knowing the obvious outcome would be insults being hurled at me from the peanut gallery. I understand "witnessing" and all, but GC, I think you are casting your pearls among some without the perception required to comprehend the message you wish to share (I won't use the word "swine"). Godschild, if your message is not received, let your peace return to you, and when you leave that house/town, brush the dust from your sandals, and carry your word to the man of peace.

[Mister Agenda]

2 or 6 I get, 1 and 7 are a step too far.

[Angrboda]

2 or 6 I get, 1 and 7 are a step too far.

You have much to learn, Padawan.

[Godscreated]

My question is this; why would anyone step into this obvious ambush? If I were a "theist" (pick a brand) it would be silly of me to admit/confess my faith, knowing the obvious outcome would be insults being hurled at me from the peanut gallery. I understand "witnessing" and all, but GC, I think you are casting your pearls among some without the perception required to comprehend the message you wish to share (I won't use the word "swine"). Godschild, if your message is not received, let your peace return to you, and when you leave that house/town, brush the dust from your sandals, and carry your word to the man of peace.

You certainly couldn't be a Christian and keep it to yourself, Christ says those who deny Me, I will deny before my Father. You can not know who might be effected by the posts I put up. So if it's okay with you I'll keep on doing my thing.

GC

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Diamonds are rocks.

When you find a diamond that can think, you give a holler, okay?

Christ said to the religious leaders on His way into Jerusalem, that if no one here were to praise Me, the Father would raise up these stones to praise me. He did that with mine, now I have diamonds.

GC

[ShaMan]

You certainly couldn't be a Christian and keep it to yourself, Christ says those who deny Me, I will deny before my Father. You can not know who might be effected by the posts I put up. So if it's okay with you I'll keep on doing my thing.

GC

Knock yourself out brother. I just thought I'd offer you a refresher glance at your spiritual guidebook's recommended path in such instances. Heck, for all you know, Jesus is trying to get your attention and is yelling... "What the hell are you doing? Those loaves are for my flock!" But feel free to do yo thang bra.

6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

I assume you enjoy the lashes.

[Avodaiah]

I'm a 1. As for my reason, this is the best way I can think of to explain it:

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.

[Ben Davis]

I'm a 1. As for my reason, this is the best way I can think of to explain it:

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.

Has anyone else noticed that rather than explanations, the level 1 theists are offering only poetry & rhetoric?

When I've needed to explain why I don't believe, I've been able to state the specific items which lead me to my conclusions (e.g. lack of physical evidence, logical fallacies, historic inconsistencies). Further, when challenged to describe situations where I'm anti-theistic (make the positive claim of non-existence, i.e. level 7), I'm able to provide similar specifics which allow me to describe my positions and compare/contrast with the evidence which only leads me to disbelief.

What I'm hoping to see from the theists are similarly specific lists so that we can have some meaningful discussions. Any of you up to that challenge?