Why would god wait?

[Zen Badger]

God will answer every prayer though in some cases what he may give you is comfort and acceptance of the inevitable rather than miraculous healing.

God will answer every prayer.

Though the usual response is " fuck off loser, LOL"

[Esquilax]

God will answer every prayer though in some cases what he may give you is comfort and acceptance of the inevitable rather than miraculous healing.

So, let me ask you: is there any possible result of prayer that you would say isn't god answering it?

That goes for any other christian that feels like answering it, too. I'd just like to know where you all stand, on this issue.

[Sword of Christ]

None of the above is supported by any evidence whatsoever.

The power of belief/will positive thinking will tend to result in an increased level of positive outcome that's scientifically known. And there is of course the placebo effect if you believe you're getting better or being healed then quite often you actually are, mind can win over matter there's a great deal of power at work there.

The conventional supernatural divine intervention may or may not happen if it does I would suggest it comes from contact with a spiritual being working/praying on Gods behalf for you say a Saint or an angel. Roman Catholics are the guys who are seriously into all that business though.

Cancer is not caused by a person’s negative attitude nor is it made worse by a person’s thoughts. You might be better able to manage your life and cancer treatment when you are able to look at things in a positive light, but that’s not always possible either. It’s much healthier to admit that having cancer can make you and your loved ones feel sad.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/survivor...e-attitude

Please quit the bullshit.

That fine I agree but if someone who already has cancer believes they're going to die they have a much greater chance of actually dying from it. There is for instance a kind of reverse placebo effect people can give themselves psychosomatic illnesses for example. It is of course mind/consciousness itself that produces this direct effect upon the body.

[Ryantology]

Because cancer like any other health, wealth, life or death situation is an opportunity to either grow one way or another spiritually. These are the trials of life, these things are what makes this our proving grounds. Without these obsticals there would be no point to this life.

If my life can be said to have a point, it is having experiences and learning things and maybe leaving the world with something it didn't have before I came along. The random suffering and death of myself or others does absolutely nothing to enhance my life or give it meaning.

Given that you worship a god of misery and death, it is no surprise that misery and death are all that gives meaning to your life.

And there is of course the placebo effect if you believe you're getting better or being healed then quite often you actually are, mind can win over matter there's a great deal of power at work there.

Because placebos often have an effect, even if the effect doesn’t last long, some people think that the placebo produced a cure. But placebos do not cure. And in studies where doctors are looking at whether a tumor shrinks, placebos have very little, if any, effect.

Still, placebos clearly can help reduce certain symptoms such as pain, anxiety, and trouble sleeping in some people. In earlier times, placebos were sometimes given by doctors out of frustration or desperation, because nothing else was available or seemed to work. They might even be tried today — a 2008 study found that nearly half of the doctors polled said that they used a placebo when they felt that it might help the patient feel better.

Sometimes if the placebo looks more real, the person may think it’s an active medicine or treatment and believe in its power even more. For example, a larger pill may look more powerful than a small pill. And in some people, an injection may have a stronger placebo effect than a pill.

Some believe that placebos seem to work because many illnesses improve over time even without treatment. People may also take better care of themselves by exercising, eating healthier, or resting if they are taking a placebo. Just as natural endorphins may relieve pain once they are released, some research shows the brain may respond to an imagined scene much as it would to something it actually sees. A placebo may help the brain remember a time before the symptoms and bring about a chemical change. This is a theory called remembered wellness.

Some scientists believe that the effects of many alternative therapies may simply be a placebo effect. If the patient believes in the treatment and wants it to work, it can seem to do so, at least for a while. If this effect worked on an illness that usually would not get better on its own, and it lasted, it would be considered a real cure, not a placebo effect.

Finally, there’s evidence to suggest that what a patient expects about real medicines can influence how the patient feels after the medicine is taken. Even though responses from real drugs aren’t typically thought of as placebo effects, some short-term effects are affected by expectations — good ones as well as bad.

There’s still much to find out about the placebo effect and all the ways it may work. Researchers agree that the placebo effect cannot cure people or make them live substantially longer. Still, they continue to study it in order to learn more about it, and find out whether and how it may be used to help people feel better.

Emphases, mine.

[Sword of Christ]

When I was a Christian, I prayed a lot, and the result of all the nothing that happened was that I became an atheist.

Bad things are still going to happen to you even if you pray, Jesus prayed to God regularly and ended up getting scourged and nailed up that's the way need to see it. Jesus was later raised from death by God into ever lasting life but you will be as well.

It's one of the better things that's ever happened to me. Certainly, I'm much more positive both about myself and about the world I live in, now that I'm not beholden to your misanthrophic, death-obsessed cult.

It's obsessed with life and it's triumph over death through God/Christ so have you got the wrong end of the stick if you think it's death obsessed.

Emphases, mine.

I didn't saying anything about placebo/positive thinking replacing actual medical treatment in the case of a very serious life threatening illness I just meant it can make big difference to survival rate. Everything you're posting I agree with as I'm not against science.

[Ryantology]

Bad things are still going to happen to you even if you pray, Jesus prayed to God regularly and ended up getting scourged and nailed up that's the way need to see it. Jesus was later raised from death by God into ever lasting life but you will be as well.

So, might as well not, then.

It's obsessed with life and it's triumph over death through God/Christ so have you got the wrong end of the stick if you think it's death obsessed.

Or I must have read Revelation.

I didn't saying anything about placebo/positive thinking replacing actual medical treatment in the case of a very serious life threatening illness I just meant it can make big difference to survival rate. Everything you're posting I agree with as I'm not against science.

You implied that the placebo effect has an actual effect on aiding the healing the body, physically. It doesn't. As the final emphasis noted, the placebo effect cannot cure people or make them live substantially longer. It does, sometimes, make people feel better, which is great, but it has little demonstrable effect in terms of actually making people better.

[Napoléon]

That fine I agree but if someone who already has cancer believes they're going to die they have a much greater chance of actually dying from it.

No you can't agree, when what you're stating is complete fucking bullshit and contradictory to agreeing with what I posted. You obviously have no intention of using facts, evidence or science to support your positions, or paying any attention to evidence that contradicts it. You make claim after claim, yet provide no supporting material for what you're saying.

Continue with your delusion, I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who patently ignores a post yet says they agree with it. Either your reading comprehension is lacking or you simply do not read what is posted.

[Sword of Christ]

So, might as well not, then.

It's not that you lose anything if you do. In any case it's more about being able to endure hardship through faith rather than gain some kind of ticket to instant and great worldly success it doesn't work that way. What you get is a spiritual nourishment.

Or I must have read Revelation.

All life in the world/the universe will come to an end at some point you know. Not necessarily literally as Revelation described it but that's the subject it's dealing with. From an atheistic viewpoint this would be a disaster from a theistic viewpoint it's just the end of an era. I perhaps you could compare Revelation to Ragnorok in the Norse Eddas it's a similar kind of story. From the destruction a new world is reborn. It's possible the Norse Eddas were influenced by Christianity seeing as a Christian wrote them.

You implied that the placebo effect has an actual effect on aiding the healing the body, physically. It doesn't.

Yes it does, even if it just relieves symptoms/pain that would aid the body in recovery.

As the final emphasis noted, the placebo effect cannot cure people or make them live substantially longer.

It most certainly can make the difference between life and death, the mind a powerful thing as is the application of positive thinking. Though there is reasonable limit to what you can do this capability, you can't replace conventional medical treatment with it. Alternative medicine such as homeopathy probably helps people to utilize this aspect of mind over the material as apparently it does seem to work even though it shouldn't. You can stand to be a little less cynical about this.

It does, sometimes, make people feel better, which is great, but it has little demonstrable effect in terms of actually making people better.

It improves recovery time and survival rates studies have been done on this. We know it does work we don't really understand it in the materialist sense. If conscious is the byproduct of the material body then it probably shouldn't work.