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GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 9:54 am
Even when I was a Christian, I realized most of our arguments had glaring holes in their logic, or at worst, were simply wrong.
I'm wondering now, are there any sound logical proofs for a God's existence? Or more specifically, for Yahweh's? Have you ever heard a Christian give a logical argument for god's existence that knocked you off your feet?
I'm now thoroughly convinced that all Christian apologetics is pretty much bullshit, and that even a logically sound argument doesn't equal empirical evidence. I'm just wondering if any of it is actually good.
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am
I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 10:20 am
(January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
I think the best argument for the existence of Harry Potter is the existence of Harry Potter, and your ability to approach him as He has instructed in the Prisoner of Azkaban. Pretty hard to argue with Harry Potter on his existence. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
See how it really doesn't make sense?
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 10:24 am
(January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
See, this is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about. Smh...
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 10:24 am
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(January 23, 2014 at 10:20 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: (January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
I think the best argument for the existence of Harry Potter is the existence of Harry Potter, and your ability to approach him as He has instructed in the Prisoner of Azkaban. Pretty hard to argue with Harry Potter on his existence. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
See how it really doesn't make sense? ..How so, If Harry were real, Seeing and talking with everyday of your life witnessing what he was able to do day in day out.. It would pretty difficult to argue the existance of Harry
So do you see how that makes sense?
Your arguement fails because on must approach Harry or God with a closed mind. Before you see any evidence you must already know that no matter what you will see it will not be proof of anything. That is why My statement that supports Luke 11 does not make sense to you.
(January 23, 2014 at 10:24 am)ThePinsir Wrote: (January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
See, this is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about. Smh...
Why debate whether something works or not when you can simply plug it in and find out for yourself? What is with this need for others to do your thinking for you?
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 11:10 am
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(January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
I don't remember apostle Paul doing the ASK boogie woogie.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 11:24 am
(January 23, 2014 at 11:10 am)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: (January 23, 2014 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I think the best arguement for the Existance of God is the existance of God, and you ablity to interact with him if you approach him as He has instructed in Luke 11. Pretty hard to argue with God on his existance. Maybe that is why you all choose to argue with us, and not A/S/K for him yourselves.
I don't remember apostle Paul doing the ASK boogie woogie.
So you think yourself on the Level of the Apstole Paul?
Paul thought He was serving God when he was rounding up Christians to be stonned. God's interaction with him was because he was already on side of God and did his best to honor what he though God wanted from him. God simply corrected him. Before that Paul was a formally trainned and devout pharisee.
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 12:14 pm
The problem with A/S/K is there is nothing you can't convince yourself is true with it. Try it on Krishna, same results. It's a psychological trick, a way to deceive yourself. It's exactly the kind of argument for God to be expected if he's not real.
I have to admire the sleight of hand, though, my hat's off to the con man who came up with 'do your very best to believe in what I'm selling and when you do, you'll know that what I'm selling is real' and figured out how to get people to actually try it.
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Drippy is the king of circular reasoning.
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RE: GOOD Apologetics?
January 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm
I always bring this up about paul. .(2 Cor 11:12-14)... paul says But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Paul claims that Satan himself can assume the form of an angel of light to deceive people. How could Paul be sure the faceless shining light and voice he experienced was actually Jesus? Paul also had no problem thinking that he had special knowledge from God himself.
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