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RE: If you lived in Jesus' day, how would you of responded?
March 12, 2014 at 10:35 pm (This post was last modified: March 12, 2014 at 10:43 pm by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(March 12, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:
(March 12, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Fromper Wrote: It occurs to me that I've posted in this thread a few times now, to prove the irrelevance of the original question, but I really missed the most obvious response that I should have posted first.
To the original poster: Why do you ask? Seriously, why did you start this thread?
And no, your generic "I wanted to know what you would do" babble isn't an acceptable answer. You posted a leading question with only one correct answer. It's obvious that you were trying to bait people into giving you the only logical answer to your illogical question. The real question is why.
Of course, this thread has gone on long enough that you've already shown us why, in post #28:
So you post a dishonest question (make the miracles and healing an assumption of the question, to hide that they're just as hypothetical as the "if you lived back then" part), then take people's only logical possible response and turn it into an excuse to start preaching. Did you contact paulpablo privately after that post to start preaching at him privately? You're not interested in the joking or insulting responses (of which there are many, AF being what it is), just the responses from those who took your question at face value and responded with the only logical answer, which lets you say "Gotcha!"
It's funny, as an atheist and vegetarian, I see the same tactics used against both groups. On a veggie forum where I've been a member for years, the classic example of a hypothetical "Gotcha!" question is the "What if you were stranded on a deserted island, and there were only animals to eat?" Some people on that forum talk about answering the question by shooting holes in the hypothetical scenario ("I'd eat whatever plants are keeping those animals alive"). But it's obvious that the only reason the question is ever asked is to get the veg to admit that they'd eat animals if it were truly necessary for their survival, as if that small concession was meaningful and proved that the veg person isn't truly "pure" in their veg beliefs. So I keep saying the best answer to that "What if" scenario is "Why? Do you know many people that's happened to?"
Hypothetical philosophical questions can be interesting to discuss among people who aren't trying to promote an agenda. But I don't play the hypothetical question games with people who are really just attacking those who disagree with them.
I'm thankful you put so much time and thought into this. If I were an atheist perhaps you would of been more in the question rather then the why I posted it.
(March 12, 2014 at 7:04 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: There is little to no evidence Jesus even existed much less that he "rose" from a grave. Just a story in a book with no more credibility than other tall tales.
There is little to no evidence Mohamed existed either, but that's another topic.
I believe He rose and so do many others. I believe Jesus is who He said He is.
That's too funny (pathetic). The only evidence is what some unknown guys wrote about an unknown guy in a book. It's like believing in the Lone Ranger riding around Texas shooting silver bullets on a pure white stallion with a black mask around his eyes in the hot Texas sun with an Indian by his side on a pinto horse.
(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?
His family didn't believe him so why so I be more gullible than them?
RE: If you lived in Jesus' day, how would you of responded?
March 12, 2014 at 10:57 pm
(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?
I'd probably ask Jesus to do something worthwhile with his time, like solving world hunger or eliminating all disease, since you know, all it would take for him is a thought and a prayer.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
RE: If you lived in Jesus' day, how would you of responded?
March 13, 2014 at 12:28 am
(March 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:
(March 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Fromper Wrote: Exactly how is "If there was proof of God's existence" different than "if there was a Jesus who indeed was performing real miracles"? Given the Christian assumption of Jesus as God, performing "real miracles" would be proof to support God's existence.
This is like asking "If you were there on the Death Star, and Darth Vader choked you without physically touching you, would you believe in The Force?" It's a loaded question with only one correct answer: "Yes, when faced with indisputable proof of the impossible, I would believe the impossible", which is exactly the same as the only correct answer to your question. And it's equally relevant to your question.
Not necessarily, there were people in Jesus who witnessed the miracles He performed and still wanted Him killed.
Once again, you're assuming the miracles actually happened, with no evidence whatsoever. Are you expecting someone here to say "I'd have been one of those who wanted him killed"? Would that give you a chance for a "Gotcha!" response about how they're really evil? Maybe such a person would be possessed by the devil.
(March 12, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I'm thankful you put so much time and thought into this. If I were an atheist perhaps you would of been more in the question rather then the why I posted it.
If you were an atheist, you never would have posted such a question. It's obviously an agenda based "gotcha" question, and without the agenda, there would be no question. Which, as I said, is why I won't bother even entertaining it. It's a pointless hypothetical that doesn't apply to the real world, so I refuse to walk into your agenda.
I notice you didn't actually answer my question, though I'll admit that I was probably more accusatory than I should have been if I wanted a response. But the answer seems obvious to me, and I was hoping you'd admit it. Exactly why did you post this question? It's not like there's anything to discuss in a scenario that only has one reasonable response if taken seriously.
That's MISTER Godless Vegetarian Tree Hugging Hippie Liberal to you.
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