Is Hell or Prison the best cure for immorality?

[Phatt Matt s]

My hat goes off to the outnumbered and outgunned dude from the west bank. My repect for arabs has grown.were I a woman id swoon.

[Rabb Allah]

Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab what is immoral? Give me a list.

Usually killing, lying, stealing, cheating, and sodomizing someone else's cow is immoral

[Phatt Matt s]

Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab what is immoral? Give me a list.

Usually killing, lying, stealing, cheating, and sodomizing someone else's cow is immoral

What about sodomizing your own cow?

[Rabb Allah]

Sorry I'll make it clear what I meant;

How is this insulting?

You see that bit that I made obvious for you in my quotation? You know, the one where I said people and not me?

I am being left out of the loop of your logic or lack there of. You could have meant anything with that statement and 'people' is not exactly a word implying a singular person.

So who's the dishonest fuck again?

Still you. I told Tor that he will be in hell but you also have not been reading our PMs which is another issue.

Do you have any evidence that suggests I'm not or are you just talking out of your ass in an attempt to discredit me?

You are without a doubt intruding on a comment that you missed half of the debate about since me and Tor have been at this non stop. I am arguing from the Subjective Idealist standpoint which means that in my own reality Tor can be in hell. It does not mean that Tor himself is actually going to hell.

As I said before you missed 90% of our debates since Tor keeps making them PMs and you just so happened to speak to soon.

I understand you are not intelligent but the last I checked the educational system is free up till you enter college.

Aww, you're trying so hard, I'd give you a kudos but I fear the irony would be lost on you.

Says the fool who jumped into a debate blindly

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Usually killing, lying, stealing, cheating, and sodomizing someone else's cow is immoral

What about sodomizing your own cow?

If good old Bessie likes it up her pooper then I will not judge although cake is better than any form of sex.

[Bob Kelso]

How is this insulting?

Was it supposed to be? You either didn't understand or you were being facetious, so I used a gif.

I am being left out of the loop of your logic or lack there of. You could have meant anything with that statement and 'people' is not exactly a word implying a singular person.

It's pretty fucking clear within the context of your post to Tor, don't play stupid.

So who's the dishonest fuck again?

Still you. I told Tor that he will be in hell but you also have not been reading our PMs which is another issue.

Do I really need to explain to you that when you talk about something on a public forum that your plea for context through private messages is fucking ridiculous? I read the entirety of this thread, that's the context I have to go on.

You are without a doubt intruding on a comment that you missed half of the debate about since me and Tor have been at this non stop. I am arguing from the Subjective Idealist standpoint which means that in my own reality Tor can be in hell. It does not mean that Tor himself is actually going to hell.

I completely understand where you are coming from with your ridiculous bullshit, and I stand by my first reaction that you're an asshole.

I understand you are not intelligent but the last I checked the educational system is free up till you enter college.

Hilarious.
Do you outsource your attempts at comedy to children all the time, or just today?

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As I said before you missed 90% of our debates since Tor keeps making them PMs and you just so happened to speak to soon.

Aww, you're trying so hard, I'd give you a kudos but I fear the irony would be lost on you.

Says the fool who jumped into a debate blindly.

Like I said, you don't get to make a plea toward ulterior information that I don't have access to.

[Phatt Matt s]

[quote='Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab' pid='631738' dateline='1395555200']

If good old Bessie likes it up her pooper then I will not judge although cake is better than any form of sex.

Good to know somebody else feels that way about cake!

[Esquilax]

A bug is still conscious although not self aware to the extent that we are. Insects have the capability of choice, it is just less limited.

Yeah, what I'm saying is that it's not a binary "conscious/not conscious" system, but rather a scale of complexity. The bug is significantly less complex than we are, to the point where it may not even be sentient in some respects, and so killing one is more acceptable.

My second point is also important, in that just because killing a bug might be acceptable doesn't mean one should shrug off their respect for life and kill them unnecessarily. It is morally correct to only spread suffering for reason.

Now you are entering an old Islamic debate since in Islam angels are viewed as perfect and void of free will and always doing what God wants them to yet humans and jinn have free will and can deny what God wants them to do.

Not really sure what this bit has to do with my point.

Hmm, well I guess I should be more clear on the fact that I am specifically referring to a panendeistic/panentheistic god so to say human morals are relevant to such an entity still does not make sense. As I said before, everything exist because it has to, I am not necessarily referring to modal realism since I am a theological idealist but the conceptualization for the need for a contradictory existence is mandated. How can god possess the 3 "O"s and not hold dominion or creatorship in any set of hypothetical universes? If it is omniscient then it should be aware of all things in all universes no matter their contradictory nature. The same applies for the other two qualities and natures. As I said before, God is the most superior entity imaginable plus more so you cannot limit a god no matter how hypothetical the conclusion is.
So to still say a God should be accepted upon human conditions is illogical considering it should also be accepted in accordance to the conditions of other species and possibly aliens more advanced than us. The phrase "he is our sustainer" does not mean that God gives bread and wine to people.

I think you're missing my point: if you have an omnipotent god, there's nothing that he requires, right? Anything he desires he can just make, no effort, and no usage of resources to accomplish it. For a god like that, hell becomes a completely redundant concept; he doesn't need to send anyone there, nor would he be particularly impacted by people if he chose not to send them there. For an omnipotent god, the choice to send people to hell is one he wasn't required to make, and one that serves no purpose for him; it is needless, and therefore cruel.

I wouldn't say that God is crushing ants for no reason. Especially if those ants are apart of your body. You are asserting that when I say God I am implying that we are detached from God somehow. Considering that I assert that all of existence is a reflection of consciousness of a god then how would you apply this to god we are literally apart of god.

In that case I'd point out that we do stop people from self harming, too.

A computer was a bad analogy now that I think of it. Sorry but I am a techy so 90% of all my thoughts consist of binary numbers and Linux commands. I swear my brain is nothing but a 1 TB SSD .
I used a computer because I was sure you would immediately assert that is is property which of course is untrue because you assert that sentiences negates ownership.
So how about we make that sentient being your arm and that arm does not do as you command. Little more better I suppose.

Like, if my arm was sentient right now? Same deal, I suppose; we don't kill sentient beings out of convenience. Granted, I'd probably be pissed at losing the thing, but if it's thinking and moving independently it's hardly a part of me anymore, is it?

[Phatt Matt s]

How is this insulting?

Was it supposed to be? You either didn't understand or you were being facetious, so I used a gif.

I am being left out of the loop of your logic or lack there of. You could have meant anything with that statement and 'people' is not exactly a word implying a singular person.

It's pretty fucking clear within the context of your post to Tor, don't play stupid.

So who's the dishonest fuck again?

Still you. I told Tor that he will be in hell but you also have not been reading our PMs which is another issue.

Do I really need to explain to you that when you talk about something on a public forum that your plea for context through private messages is fucking ridiculous? I read the entirety of this thread, that's the context I have to go on.

You are without a doubt intruding on a comment that you missed half of the debate about since me and Tor have been at this non stop. I am arguing from the Subjective Idealist standpoint which means that in my own reality Tor can be in hell. It does not mean that Tor himself is actually going to hell.

I completely understand where you are coming from with your ridiculous bullshit, and I stand by my first reaction that you're an asshole.

I understand you are not intelligent but the last I checked the educational system is free up till you enter college.

Hilarious.
Do you outsource your attempts at comedy to children all the time, or just today?

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As I said before you missed 90% of our debates since Tor keeps making them PMs and you just so happened to speak to soon.

Aww, you're trying so hard, I'd give you a kudos but I fear the irony would be lost on you.

Says the fool who jumped into a debate blindly.

Like I said, you don't get to make a plea toward ulterior information that I don't have access to.

Mr. Gameleon I'm scandalized and horrified by the ignorance and bigotry that would lead you and your gang of zealots to persecute my friend Abdulla bin laden Muhammed dirkajihad!

I followed your posts and if I could describe it would be:
*epitome of ass hole*

I see the way that you gang up on a rational, cultured, insightful, spiritual, and thoughtful arab, and the manner in which you treat him is reprehensible, inhumane, and unjustifiable! I never thought I'd come to the aid of al quaeda, but if I were in the west bank right now I'd kiss his Palestinian ass!

[tor]

Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab what is immoral? Give me a list.

Usually killing, lying, stealing, cheating, and sodomizing someone else's cow is immoral

Lying and cheating?
Let's say I lied and cheated at some point now what?

[Bob Kelso]

Mr. Gameleon I'm scandalized and horrified by the ignorance and bigotry that would lead you and your gang of zealots to persecute my friend Abdulla bin laden Muhammed dirkajihad!

I followed your posts and if I could describe it would be:
*epitome of ass hole*

I see the way that you gang up on a rational, cultured, insightful, spiritual, and thoughtful arab, and the manner in which you treat him is reprehensible, inhumane, and unjustifiable! I never thought I'd come to the aid of al quaeda, but if I were in the west bank right now I'd kiss his Palestinian ass!

I couldn't give less of a shit what you're scandalized about. I also couldn't give less of a shit what his ethnicity is, an asshole is an asshole is an asshole.