Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?

[fr0d0]

So are you going to even begin addressing the actual question rumpy or are we continuing with this game of smoke and mirrors?

I guess I was right about you... You really do have absolutely no argument.

[Rampant.A.I.]

You keep posting, but still can't seem to answer the simplest questions about your claim. Why is that?

[Ryantology]

Ryan : read and understand. How do you know that God didn't do it? Unless you have supernatural abilities, and I'm not saying you don't, you can't know.

I can't know with 100% certainty (although I'm quite sure I have no supernatural abilities).

But, you have two problems where I have only one.

A: The reverse applies just as strongly. You can't know that you're right any more than I can know you're not.

B: The likelihood of your claim is vastly smaller than mine. I don't have to resort to supernatural explanations to bolster a negative claim. If we were discussing the existence of anything other than your god, you wouldn't try so hard to defend it because the lack of any actual evidence of its existence would make it an untenable position to take.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Seriously, why would anyone want the God depicted in the bible and other holy texts. If He existed, He would be a vengeful, self-regarding, narcissistic shithead. You can keep the twat.

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Because religion does not make a lick of sense. It just doesn't. People are afraid to die and that's the bottom line. The root of it is we are the only species on the planet to be aware of our immortality and people are just shit scared of that.

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The God character of the Bible was simply a series of Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian emperors who ruled the Middle East. The God character bit the dust when the Babylonian Empire collapsed and its last emperor died. In modern terms its like the North Koreans who worship their series of "Dear Leaders".

[fr0d0]

You keep posting, but still can't seem to answer the simplest questions about your claim. Why is that?

I already answered and proved that your question was illogical. You seem to have no come back besides irrelevant pictures. Figures.

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A: The reverse applies just as strongly. You can't know that you're right any more than I can know you're not.

B: The likelihood of your claim is vastly smaller than mine. I don't have to resort to supernatural explanations to bolster a negative claim. If we were discussing the existence of anything other than your god, you wouldn't try so hard to defend it because the lack of any actual evidence of its existence would make it an untenable position to take.

A. Absolutely. And if I had anything to prove in that respect that should be a concern. But I don't.

B. Again you're assuming a claim never made. I'm not arguing science with you. I suspect we'd completely agree.

I'm not defending a claim that I haven't made. I'm only defending against claims about my belief that aren't true.

Your argument is that the supernatural should be dismissed because it can't be experienced naturally.

A = natural
B = supernatural
A =/= B therefore B cannot exist.

Can you see the problem there?

A = apples
B = oranges
A =/= B therefore oranges cannot exist.

[Ryantology]

I dismiss supernatural claims because an untestable claim is a pointless claim. Appealing to supernatural phenomena is a bad idea anyway, because even if it counted as legitimate evidence, we would have to take all supernatural claims equally seriously, and ultimately, the vast majority of such claims will contradict whatever your nebulous beliefs actually are. And thanks to the absolutely untestable nature of supernatural claims, I am free to simply invent the evidence I can't find in physical nature to completely 'prove' you wrong.

[fr0d0]

I dismiss supernatural claims because an untestable claim is a pointless claim. Appealing to supernatural phenomena is a bad idea anyway, because even if it counted as legitimate evidence, we would have to take all supernatural claims equally seriously, and ultimately, the vast majority of such claims will contradict whatever your nebulous beliefs actually are. And thanks to the absolutely untestable nature of supernatural claims, I am free to simply invent the evidence I can't find in physical nature to completely 'prove' you wrong.

Which claim do you dismiss?

Who is appealing to the supernatural and where?

Nonsense comparisons do absolutely nothing to challenge a belief system. Believing in God informs a world view which improves life.

[pocaracas]

Believing in God informs a world view which improves life.

Well... that' a bit too much, wouldn't you say?
Believing in god informs a world view which may improve life.

There are documented cases where life was cut short because of such world view.

Never assume your 21st Century, 1st world environment is the only one around.

[fr0d0]

My 21st century 1st world environment is pretty screwed.

No it's not too much. It's absolutely correct.

Sure it's used, abused, misunderstood.

[Bad Writer]

Fr0d0, if there's no evidence at all for the supernatural, then you have absolutely zero good reasons to believe in a supernatural deity. And yet you do. Why?