Bible Lesson: The Death of Jesus an Evolving Myth

[buddabobblehead]

It appears to me that the inconsistencies of the bible record are due to the history of passed down religious belief, as an oral tradition, where there are inconsistencies in peoples rendition of what happened and various other specific details when it comes to the recording of spiritual and religious events. The rendition of the myth probably varied from area to area. It was also a common practice to take other spiritual stories from previous religions and belief systems. Ex. the birth to a virgin, crucifixion, death and resurrection are not at all new events that just so happened to occur with the Jesus story. Most christian's dont realize that most if not all of the events that occurred in Jesus's supernatural life, can be found in ancient pagan religions. Same old, same old. - Inconsistencies are just one chink in the armor of the 'holy book'

[ThomM]

The gospels are far from uniform. They are contradictory in places and the each tell of a rather different Jesus. The synoptic gospels share a similar story, but the details change as Jesus becomes less man-like and more god like:

This depiction of Jesus is of a man in the desolation of despair. He is not expecting salvation.

If you start reading a little earlier, you'll see that he is expecting salvation:
Mark 14
24 And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many. 25 Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

28 “But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.”

The problem for me is that the supposed statements on the cross (Supposed because I do not accept that the christ is more than a myth)
Do not indicate an ALL knowing god - which is ONE claim of the Xtians.
He is not supposed to be the "son" of god - but actually he IS the god.
And why would he question being forsaken by his father - he is supposed to be the same person. The trinity is obvious nonsense.

And - an all knowing god would have know if he was forsaken or not - in fact nothing that happened should have been a surprise to him - if he were real - and as claimed.

IT is possible to quote snippets out of context to support the xtian claim - just as it is possible to support the atheist claims by quoting the bible as well.
Example - if the christ was well known - spoke to multitudes - and was even known to high officials - why did they need one of the apostles to identify him - it should have been obvious - and known before hand.

Sorry - It is clear that these stories are fabricated and go not agree

[Jenny A]

The gospels are far from uniform. They are contradictory in places and the each tell of a rather different Jesus. The synoptic gospels share a similar story, but the details change as Jesus becomes less man-like and more god like:

This depiction of Jesus is of a man in the desolation of despair. He is not expecting salvation.

If you start reading a little earlier, you'll see that he is expecting salvation:
Mark 14
24 And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many. 25 Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

28 “But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.”

And yet on the cross he cries out "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me." This is a man who is not assured. It's much easier to be assured while drinking wine, even if you know the centurions are coming. A man/prophet may doubt at the end even if he's been preaching salvation. Would god on earth, even in human form doubt? There may be doubting Christians in foxholes and on their death beds, but god incarnate? The very humanness of Jesus is apparent in Mathew and Mark. I like the Jesus of Mathew and Mark rather better that the Jesus of Luke.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Ref. Post #12: If Jesus was God why did he have to pray? Did he have to calm his nerves? Was he fearful? If he isn't God then why do people have to pray to him for salvation? If he was God why wasn't he more convincing when he interacted with the people in Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum? If he had the power to forgive sins why didn't he forgive those people instead of condemning them to hell? If he expects his followers to forgive other people 7 times 70 why couldn't he have forgiven those people one time because he wasn't convincing enough to get them to believe?

[John V]

And yet on the cross he cries out "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me." This is a man who is not assured. It's much easier to be assured while drinking wine, even if you know the centurions are coming. A man/prophet may doubt at the end even if he's been preaching salvation. Would god on earth, even in human form doubt? There may be doubting Christians in foxholes and on their death beds, but god incarnate? The very humanness of Jesus is apparent in Mathew and Mark. I like the Jesus of Mathew and Mark rather better that the Jesus of Luke.

Yes, it seems reasonable to me that god incarnate would cry that out in anguish, considering the extraordinary situation that he who did not know sin was made sin (2 Cor 5:21). I'm amazed when I consider that, and I can't completely comprehend it.

[Minimalist]

Yes, it seems reasonable to me that god incarnate would cry that out in anguish

Of course it does. You think this nonsense is real.

Next.

[RobbyPants]

Yes, it seems reasonable to me that god incarnate would cry that out in anguish, considering the extraordinary situation that he who did not know sin was made sin (2 Cor 5:21).

The problem here is she is considering each of the four gospels individually, looking at their differences, and you are justifying the actions in one with one of the epistles.

[ShaMan]

[Mudhammam]

What I've never understood is the Christian argument that Jesus' resurrection is somehow unique or attests to his divinity. Would that imply that the zombies wandering around Jerusalem at the crucifixion were gods too?

[ShaMan]