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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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(July 20, 2014 at 9:00 am)FreeTony Wrote: So before the fall people could just go around murdering each other and not know it was wrong?
Surely eating the fruit was a good thing then?
God knew all this would happen when he decided to make a talking snake surely?
Why put the tree there? It's like putting a cake in front of your kids with 100% certainty they will eat it, then condemning them to misery for it.
It makes no sense whatsoever allegorical or not, apart form demonstrating God as a cruel idiot.
What's funny (or actually disgusting) is there is a biblical child rearing (read: abuse) manual To Train Up a Child that tells you to do just this. Put something enticing in front of your toddler and tell them not to touch it. Then hit them every time they try to touch.
Religious people have very strange ideas.
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 2:40 pm
(July 20, 2014 at 7:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Tradition has it that Moses was the author.
I don't think his contract got renewed, though; he's only got one book to his credit.
Since there is no mention of Israel in the historical record until about 1400 bce - we can also call Moses another MYTH.
We already know that the story of the exodus has no support in the historical record - nor in archeology of the area. In addition - there is no mention of the Israelites in bondage to Egypt at that time - even though we have a complete list of those who were. Once could make a case for saying that Israel was too small to be on the list - but then that would make their numbers far less than claimed as well.
As far as the Adam and Eve fairy tale - and that IS all it is - it is not even an allegory as it shows little similarity to the actual evolution of humans on earth. WE know that there were human on earth LONG before the claimed creation of the earth in the bible - so the story of Adam and Eve is nonsense - and there was NO NEED to be saved - except to be saved from ancient religious myths that have no basis in fact.
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 2:41 pm
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I don't think that people who had no idea what evolution was could have ever intended to write an allegorical account of evolution.....it's an allegorical account -of the human experience- as experienced, by the originators of the tale and their intended audience.
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 2:41 pm
(July 20, 2014 at 4:27 am)Rhythm Wrote: If I get enough kudos.... I might be tempted to go through the bible line by line. Kudos if you don't!
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 2:49 pm
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Hey man...I'm just tired of watching second rate bible fanbois paste their garbage all over the boards. I think it's interesting to know that you can have meaning in the narrative without any reference to god, and without any invocation of divinity or spirituality. Even if the authors did believe in the stuff, apparently, their humanity crept out onto the page despite their intentions.
Also, if someone wants to bring people into the fold - at some point they're going to have to make these stories relevant regardless of their historical value. The whole "this really happened so you should bend the knee" schtick isn't working the way it used to. Neither is the new-agey "they really meant this equally unsupportable hodgepodge of magical gibberish" routine.
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 4:01 pm
From the Seneca Indians...
http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSBr...other.html
Really, is it any stupider than the yahweh shit?
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 4:06 pm
The Garden of Eden story is very complex. It introduces the progenitor of the Jewish line that led to Jesus, who was to restore the true relationship between the Jews and their deity.
1 Corinthians 15:45 (NLT) = "The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit."
So when you read that passage you have to wonder what the definition of "man" is.
2 Esdras 7:116-117 (CEB) = "I answered: “This is my first and last word: It would have been better if the earth hadn’t brought forth Adam, or when it had brought him forth, that it had forced him not to sin. What does it benefit everyone to live in sadness during the present time, and when dead to expect punishment?" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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Love how she comes down with a mystery disease - and then poof...gives birth to a child...lol. That and the constant theme of jealousy between brothers. The originator of that narrative clearly had no love for people coming out of the west. Fuckers, wisping up like the wind and impregnating little girls as they breeze past.
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 4:25 pm
(July 20, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: From the Seneca Indians...
http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSBr...other.html
Really, is it any stupider than the yahweh shit?
Where did the grandmother come from?
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RE: The Fall as Allegorical Fiction.
July 20, 2014 at 4:32 pm
"Just-so"
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