Objectifying women

[Scented Nectar]

I would not say you shouldn't have a shiney red car. I'm saying don't take that shiney red car and leave it unsecured. There is a time and place for showing off your shiney red car. In a den of theives is not one of them.

Raped women hardly ever wander into a den of thieves/rapists. They live in the ordinary world pretty much. One that completely accepts, condones, promotes and expects visual attractiveness.

Should I do that? No. You all know damned well it's enticing and setting up opportunity. If I do, do I shoulder partial blame for it's inevitable theft? <-- Just answer that one question please.

No blame, not even partial. The most one could say was that you had a higher than average vulnerability/risk factor. Such a factor is always a grey area, one which can never be expected to be actively maintained at any specific level, much less figure out what level constitutes blame-worthiness. If such blame were routinely used regarding other crimes however, such as blaming house owners who had a break-in happen because they had expensive window trimmings visible, I'd not be pissed about it being used in rape cases. I'd still disagree with the blaming, but not as much as when it's done unfairly to cases of sexual violence only.

If I do all the right things, lock it up, set the alarm, hide the valuables, and it is stolen can you reasonably assign partial blame on me? I say no. If I lock it up, set the alarm but leave the valuables out in plain sight do I incur some responsibility for my loss?

No. It's always wrong to assign any responsibility on the victim. Level of risk or vulnerability sure, but never responsibility. It's the criminal who is responsible for the actual crime. If we start blaming people for their grey area vulnerability levels, not only are everyone's levels different than each other, but it dips into the sphere of freedom of expression, since people will be punished (being blamed) for their nonharmful freedom of expression. The next step is burqas and 4 family members as chaperone/witnesses or you get blamed for it if you get raped. This is the shit religion consumes on a daily basis. The perpetuation of self-oppression through self-blame. And the money isn't a very good example, since us women already have to be worried about theft in addition to other crimes in the world. Do you have a comparable crime that usually only happens to men which needs extra safety precautions?

Even if a guy needs some power stuff mixed into his sex to get off, he knows full well not to do it in real life, except by consentual 'nonconsent' or whatever.

Agreed. There are many other ways to satisfy that. Paid help. Call employees and fire them as you do the wife/GF. Curse God when having sex. ("Is that all you got?! You piece of shit God! Bring it on! I jizz on your face!!) I felt all powerful just typing that. I'm gonna have to try it with my regular call girl. She'll probably charge me $10 extra, but I think it will be worth it.

I thought I'd heard of everything, but humiliation fantasies about gods are a new one! If you and your paid assistant film this, you could probably make some money. I imagine that the industry is always in need of a new story line, and who knows, porn of this nature might prevent someone from actually going out and jizzing on the faces of unwilling gods.

No, not exactly. Older women party and date less for the same reasons that older men party and date less. It has nothing to do with learning better how to protect oneself.

Less. And when they do party it has everything to do with learning how to better protect oneself.

No, and I know this firsthand. I'm 47, old enough to now be considered an older woman. The reason I party less is the same as it is for men who are my age. Once in the more settled down, adult working life, most people party, dress trendy/sexy and date less. It's nothing to do with avoiding these activities due to learning they are dangerous.

Doesn't one need to be aroused in order to rape?

Are rapists aroused on power alone and they are not actually remotely aroused by the person they are actually raping whatsoever?

They are arroused by the nonconsentual aspect of it, and just like everyone else will often have a preference or 'type' they want to do it to. But just as we would never blame a raped child for looking or acting too childlike around a priest/other-kid-raper, one must never blame a woman for looking too feminine/stylish/sexy. To blame a person for their vulnerability level is unfair and logistically impossible anyways, since there are way too many factors both involuntary and chosen. It's not a simple case of 'look your doors, everyone'.

[Dotard]

No blame, not even partial. The most one could say was that you had a higher than average vulnerability/risk factor.

And who is to blame for creating this higher than average risk factor?

No. It's always wrong to assign any responsibility on the victim. Level of risk or vulnerability sure, but never responsibility.

And who is responsible for their level of risk/vunerability?

If you and your paid assistant film this, you could probably make some money.

We are currently looking for a producer. Interested?

It's nothing to do with avoiding these activities due to learning they are dangerous.

Who said anything about avoidance? I agreed frequency plays a part. I maintain the wisdom gained from experiance and lessons learned about what should be and what is also play a part.

.... one must never blame a woman for looking too feminine/stylish/sexy. To blame a person for their vulnerability level is unfair and logistically impossible anyways, since there are way too many factors both involuntary and chosen.

Wait... what? Didn't you just say;
"It's always wrong to assign any responsibility on the victim. Level of risk or vulnerability sure..." ?

Assign the level of risk or vunerability.. sure
Blame a person for their vunerability level... unfair

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[tavarish]

1. Rape is wrong, but it happens
2. Pretty girls get more attention that less attractive ones - good and bad.
3. Pretty girls should do more to safeguard against negative actions taken against them due to this extra attention.


I've noticed the only people complaining about this issue are usually the less attractive ones in the bunch. I wonder why that is.

[Scented Nectar]

And who is to blame for creating this higher than average risk factor?

Sometimes genetics, sometimes advertising, sometimes societal/peer group expectations, depends how far back you want to trace it. Maybe everyone?

And who is responsible for their level of risk/vunerability?

Same as above.

If you and your paid assistant film this, you could probably make some money.

We are currently looking for a producer. Interested?

Well, depends on the visuals. I suppose I can turn the sound off so as not to be turned off by the humiliation/god storylines, but the visuals I can produce, maybe make a number of fancy versions, special effects, pan/zooming, stuff like that. The business end of producing, no. That doesn't sound like fun, and I already have a real job, so I wouldn't be in it for the money, heheh. Or, if you don't need an effects editor, I could do a review article/critique. Might take a while if it's so good I never make it to the end though! Maybe help with the title suggestions too, like The Second Coming, or Jizzin' Jeezus, or Good God!, or I don't know, anyone else think of any? Also, I don't want to watch it if Jesus/god looks anything like his many paintings. His face would ruin it for me. Just not my type or something.

Who said anything about avoidance? I agreed frequency plays a part. I maintain the wisdom gained from experiance and lessons learned about what should be and what is also play a part.

That would be about anything in life though. I suppose if a woman had bad experiences connected to a certain activity/behaviour she would learn from that.

Wait... what? Didn't you just say;
"It's always wrong to assign any responsibility on the victim. Level of risk or vulnerability sure..." ?

Assign the level of risk or vunerability.. sure
Blame a person for their vunerability level... unfair

????

I meant assigning a level in a statistical pie chart such as one would when analyzing whether blacks get killed by police in the same percentage as whites. Never blaming based on ones vulnerability level though.

[Meatball]

1. Rape is wrong, but it happens
2. Pretty girls get more attention that less attractive ones - good and bad.
3. Pretty girls should do more to safeguard against negative actions taken against them due to this extra attention.

Implied points:

Pretty girls who are raped didn't do enough to safeguard themselves.
It is the responsibility of pretty girls to not get raped.
Pretty girls who are raped are partially to blame for failing to not get raped.
You are a terrible person.

[Scented Nectar]

I've noticed the only people complaining about this issue are usually the less attractive ones in the bunch. I wonder why that is.

Correlation does not always mean causation. Especially in subjective matters like sexual attractiveness. All this means is that you personally don't get a hard weiner for any of the complainers. That's ok though, no man should be expected to get it hard for everyone!

Indications should logically point the opposite way though. If it is correct that attractive women get more negative attention (along with more good), then the attractive ones would have more bad attention to complain about.

[Eilonnwy]

I've noticed the only people complaining about this issue are usually the less attractive ones in the bunch. I wonder why that is.

And the only people who are blaming women for their rape in this thread are men. Hm, I wonder why that is.

[tackattack]

:ROFLOL: .. firckin' awesome Eilonnwy

[Tiberius]

Look, it's blatantly obvious that pretty girls deserved to be raped.

*end of discussion*

If I were without a conscience, I'd rape all of you (including you sexy boys) in an instant. You all turn me on.

P.S. This post was brought to you by Vodka; the best thing the Russians have ever done for us (and that includes giving up socialism).

[tavarish]

1. Rape is wrong, but it happens
2. Pretty girls get more attention that less attractive ones - good and bad.
3. Pretty girls should do more to safeguard against negative actions taken against them due to this extra attention.

Implied points:

Pretty girls who are raped didn't do enough to safeguard themselves.

Wrong. Sometimes there are times in which such actions are unavoidable, but there are also times in which certain measures can be taken to diffuse the situation. It's everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves and shield themselves from harm. It's not a black and white issue, so stop your childish tirade.

If I leave my front door open and leave my house for a week, then come back to see everything stolen, is it my fault that everything was stolen? No, but I do share a responsibility in not being as protective as I could be. There's also the case if I have a high tech alarm, have it armed, and still come home to a cleaned out house - which illustrates that it's a multi-fucking-faceted issue.

It is the responsibility of pretty girls to not get raped.

It is the responsibility of pretty girls to notice that they're receiving attention and protect themselves in case things go bad due to this. This isn't confined to rape.

Pretty girls who are raped are partially to blame for failing to not get raped.

And where the hell did I say this? Get your head out of your ass. Every case is different, and nowhere did I say it was necessarily rape. I said pretty girls making more attention for themselves are more likely to be targets of sexual advance and assault, and they should realize this and safeguard the best they can. If you don't understand it, read it again. I'm not blaming the fucking victim.

You are a terrible person.

Eat a dick and stop putting words in my mouth.

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I've noticed the only people complaining about this issue are usually the less attractive ones in the bunch. I wonder why that is.

And the only people who are blaming women for their rape in this thread are men. Hm, I wonder why that is.

It's because the individuals that read it can't stop their emotionally-driven arguments enough to realize no one's blaming women for being raped.

Recognizing that people have responsibility to guard themselves is not necessarily blaming them in case something does happen. There will always be unforseen circumstances. That doesn't mean you leave your fucking guard down.

Grow up.


I mean that in the nicest way possible.

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I've noticed the only people complaining about this issue are usually the less attractive ones in the bunch. I wonder why that is.

Correlation does not always mean causation. Especially in subjective matters like sexual attractiveness. All this means is that you personally don't get a hard weiner for any of the complainers. That's ok though, no man should be expected to get it hard for everyone!

Indications should logically point the opposite way though. If it is correct that attractive women get more negative attention (along with more good), then the attractive ones would have more bad attention to complain about.

The attractive ones are usually used to it enough to disregard it.