Why I Don't Believe in Atheism

[Zidneya]

A poll about the falsity of atheism in a atheism forum…..
Seriously Atheist Forum!
Right there on top of every page and window. Why do we keep having people that think they are gonna find others that agree with their religious beliefs?

[CindysRain]

Hey, if your happy with your god and religion good for you.

I am just as happy with no god and no religion.

The only difference is that I didn't go and join a christian forum, just to tell them how happy I am with my beliefs.

[Zidneya]

Hey, if your happy with your god and religion good for you.

I am just as happy with no god and no religion.

The only difference is that I didn't go and join a christian forum, just to tell them how happy I am with my beliefs.

Do you mind if I use that phrase in the future?

[MJ the Skeptical]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

The universe did come from simple beginnings without a creator. If I wasn't so sure you'd dismiss the evidence, I would recommend that you read into Cosmology and Quantum Physics for the answer to these questions. So, if what you're saying is true then your god had to come from simple beginnings as well if all things need to have a creator. A complex being doesn't just pop into existence and neither do galaxies or universes. And this god is not exempt from infinite regress.

And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.

The universe most certainly could have always existed, just not in it's current form. That's what you theists seem to not understand, that the universe can be eternal without a god story attached to it. If you apply Occam's razor to the universe then it's much more plausible that the universe itself is geared towards complexity without intervention but according to natural laws.

Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.

But nature doesn't need a cause outside itself, a god who creates all things needs a bigger explanation than nature. You clearly don't understand the finer points of nature because nature creates life from non-life all the time. What you're showing here like many theists do, is your lack of understanding of nature. Why do you get to add in your bullshit of "uncreated creator" that's just a cop out to avoid infinite regress. God claims further exasperate the problem, because they raise more questions. And if there is a god, it's not up to us to find that god. That's just ignorant if there is a god then it's up to them to reveal it ambiguously if hell is the ticket for non-belief of this god. If you have all 3 omni qualities you should have no problem making yourself ambiguous and showing your love in an ambiguous way. God is contradictory if it has all 3 omni qualities, I guess you haven't delved yourself deeply into these topics very much.

[Whateverist]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, ..

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because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.

Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.

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[BlackMason]

Is atheism false? Well what do you mean by false?

Atheism can be explained quite well using the gum ball analogy.

Jack: "Hey I got a jar of gum balls in my room. Agree with me that the number of gum balls inside are either even or odd."

Nick: " Yes, that's true."

Jack: "I'm telling you that they're even."

Nick: "I don't believe you."

Jack: "So are you saying they're odd?"

Nick: "No, I'm saying I don't believe your claim of them being even. I am not making a counter claim for them being odd."

That is what atheism is. It is a rejection of theistic claims. It is not a counter claim that there are no gods. This is because atheism assumes the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis cannot be proven. You can either reject the null hypothesis or fail to reject it. It is the default position on matters when one makes a claim. That is atheism.

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And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed...

That is not the claim of atheism.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I don't believe in atheism either, but I was born one and have been my entire life.

So we have something in common, OP.

But as to why you don't believe in atheism, well, in the immortal words of Sam L. Jackson:

"I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing."

[Mudhammam]

You do believe in your lack of belief in God. To deny it would be really stupid.

Just to be "clear," I believe you're saying that you don't believe in my belief in my lack of belief? Is that your statement?

[jesus_wept]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist.

Do you have any evidence your god exists?

It seems to me you're on very shaky ground with this statement....

[ignoramus]

the Coyote has gone back to ACME to top up with ideas...

In his mind, he probably thinks he has unravelled the paradox of proving his favourite love daddy.
And we have to shoot him down in flames...

Next time, let's not be so harsh!
[let's not be so 'SMART']
Let's go along with it ...
Let's agree!

We can have some good fun with it!
In fact, I'm surprised we even bother, every time, same shit over and over ... I'm starting to think all Christians are now made in China! with not a lot of QC.