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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Tobie Wrote: Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them. It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin and Jesus' death is the ultimate sacrafice the Bible is leading up to. Jesus' death paid for are sin and that is why christians do not sacrafice animals, we just look to the cross. "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only Son that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life" John 3 16
You really are sick, aren't you? We've stopped doing that sort of thing.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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You mean the favorites are acknowledged and the disavowed are shunned and forgotten? Huh, who'd have thunk it, right? Cain is one of those villains you root for isn;t he? Secretly maybe, a crime noir. Guy commits a crime, gets caught, talks back to the boss, gets away with it- goes on to be unimaginably successful.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin Except for Mark 2, where Jesus forgives a man his sins by simply stating it.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Tonus Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin Except for Mark 2, where Jesus forgives a man his sins by simply stating it.
Yet Yahweh can't manage to do the same. 
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Tonus Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin Except for Mark 2, where Jesus forgives a man his sins by simply stating it.
Heh..that makes me think of something like Jesus Mk. II, now with lasers.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You mean the favorites are acknowledged and the disavowed are shunned and forgotten? Huh, who'd have thunk it, right? Cain is one of those villains you root for isn;t he? Secretly maybe, the noir sort of release from watching Russel Crowe deliver some blows to a criminal. Guy commits a crime, talks back to the boss- goes on to be unimaginably successful.
I don't mean that, no one is God's favourite. He loves us equally and offers us all the chance of forgiveness and salvation.
For all of us who sin daily it is amasing God even gives the option not to go to Hell but recieve his forgiveness. That is love not favouritism.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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(September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Tobie Wrote: Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them. It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin and Jesus' death is the ultimate sacrafice the Bible is leading up to. Jesus' death paid for are sin and that is why christians do not sacrafice animals, we just look to the cross. "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only Son that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life" John 3 16
Blood sacrifice is a remnant from before the ret-con of all the other gods of the Canaanite pantheon. There is a tradition of it in the bible, but it does not explain why, according to your mythology, an all-powerful being would resort to sending down his son to act as a scapegoat for the sins of humanity, rather than just erasing them in the first place.
Huggy Wrote:It's very simple, if Cain was Adams son, he would be included in Adam's genealogy. Seth IS recorded in the genealogy.
The passage you posted is the genealogy of Methuselah, linking him to Adam. That doesn't exclude cain from being Adam's son.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:37 pm
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(September 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Tobie Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin and Jesus' death is the ultimate sacrafice the Bible is leading up to. Jesus' death paid for are sin and that is why christians do not sacrafice animals, we just look to the cross. "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only Son that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life" John 3 16
Blood sacrifice is a remnant from before the ret-con of all the other gods of the Canaanite pantheon. There is a tradition of it in the bible, but it does not explain why, according to your mythology, an all-powerful being would resort to sending down his son to act as a scapegoat for the sins of humanity, rather than just erasing them in the first place. God already erased humanity and all life except those on the ark. It is an act of mercy and love that God sent his son to die for are sins not a scrapegoat.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Your god is a dick, boy.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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(September 4, 2014 at 3:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: God already erased humanity and all life except those on the ark. Never happened, so it doesn't help to establish anything.
Quote: It is an act of mercy and love that God sent his son to die for are sins not a scrapegoat.
The intentions don't actually alter the designation of scapegoating. You want to call it merciful and loving scapegoating. Good for you, I guess?
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