Are We Living In God's "Matrix"?

[JesusHChrist]

Goddamn "The Matrix" - now everyone's a solipsist.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

"The atheist perspective isn't any more absolute than the theist perspective. Most atheists (like me) are agnostic atheists. We simply don't believe in claims like intelligent design and gods because there is no evidence for them. We are not sure that they don't exist. Show us the evidence and we'll believe. Knowledge is not a matter of pride."

I'm curious what types of evidence would be necessary to influence your 100% certainty there is no intelligence to the design of reality? I mean, simply the fact that intelligent life exists seems to imply we are experiencing more than just random, chaotic matter flying around in space. But that's just my opinion...

Opinions don't really mean anything when it comes to evidence, though, do they?

[Lucanus]

The implication itself is unnecessary and unscientific. Demonstrate why it should be like you say and give me undeniable and repeatable examples of what you say and I'll gladly take it as evidence.

[Simon Moon]

I'm curious what types of evidence would be necessary to influence your 100% certainty there is no intelligence to the design of reality? I mean, simply the fact that intelligent life exists seems to imply we are experiencing more than just random, chaotic matter flying around in space. But that's just my opinion...

You aren't even reading the responses to your posts, are you?

Very few atheists claim 100% certainty that a god or gods do not exist. Several people have told you this already.

Atheism and agnosticism are NOT mutually exclusive positions.

For the vast majority of atheists, their atheism is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one.

As long as the there continues to be insufficient evidence, reasoned argument and valid/sound logic to support the god claim, our atheism will continue.

[downbeatplumb]

I ask because of the absolute nature of the atheist perspective. Most atheists I know argue they are 100% sure there is no intelligent design, no influencing entities, however, how can you be so sure? What is it that confirms that for you? I mean, "agnostic" seems to be the way to go when there are obviously so many variables that we can't possibly control for. Aren't you concerned about the possibility of having to "eat crow" later on?

Oh, and what does being American have to do with anything?

Because American Theists seem to have a completely false view of Atheists sold to them to by the professional liars or priests/Reverands/vicars (delete as applicable) that they see and so come on here "knowing" exactly what an atheist is and always ALWAYS get it wrong.

You are a typical example of this particular herd.

Learn what atheism actually is before you come spouting off here with the all the atheists I know rant.

I knew one priest, last I heard he was serving ten years for child molestation, does this mean that all priests are child molesters because by your logic it would.

[vorlon13]

If 'everyone' is living in a 'God' constructed matrix, then, essentially, everything is true. God has revealed to everyone (via all those squiggly little tubes and wires) whatever particular 'truth' he wants each of us to have.

Of course, the one thing He wouldn't allow, is knowledge of the actual 'matrix' itself.


Me thinks the TS is in grave danger . . .

[DramaQueen]

An absolute belief that a god doesn't exist is too broad.
What does god even mean?

I know that Allah as described by the quran isn't real though.

[sswhateverlove]

An absolute belief that a god doesn't exist is too broad.
What does god even mean?

I know that Allah as described by the quran isn't real though.

I have been intensely researching the astrophysics, quantum physics and epigenetics and I'm finding evidence that is making me veer further away from atheism. I am looking to others that may have knowledge (or be interested in viewing my sources) and give their opinion.

I am able to fully form my own opinion, only when it's challenged. So far, few people are challenging what I have to say and are simply calling me an idiot. Not helpful.

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The implication itself is unnecessary and unscientific. Demonstrate why it should be like you say and give me undeniable and repeatable examples of what you say and I'll gladly take it as evidence.

Neil Degrasse Tyson has a lot of resources out there that have made me question. Astrophysics (I mean "dark matter and energy"?), Quantum Physics (Whaaa...), and Epigenetics (our genes are influenced by WHAT?)

I'm interested in others opinions and (if they're aware of what these sciences are saying) how they are still holding to an absolute atheist position.

[Simon Moon]

I have been intensely researching the astrophysics, quantum physics and epigenetics and I'm finding evidence that is making me veer further away from atheism. I am looking to others that may have knowledge (or be interested in viewing my sources) and give their opinion.

By 'intensely researching' do you mean at the university level? Or reading a bunch of pseudoscience websites and some popular science books written for the layman?

Here's a question for you.

Why are the scientists that actually understand the fields you are 'intensely researching', working in those fields everyday, dedicated their lives to studying, overwhelmingly atheists? 72% of them in the latest study. 92% of the elite scientists in the National Academy of Science.

What evidence are you, some random, non-scientist internet poster able to see that the majority of scientists aren't?

[sswhateverlove]

I have been intensely researching the astrophysics, quantum physics and epigenetics and I'm finding evidence that is making me veer further away from atheism. I am looking to others that may have knowledge (or be interested in viewing my sources) and give their opinion.

By 'intensely researching' do you mean at the university level? Or reading a bunch of pseudoscience websites and some popular science books written for the layman?

Here's a question for you.

Why are the scientists that actually understand the fields you are 'intensely researching', working in those fields everyday, dedicated their lives to studying, overwhelmingly atheists? 72% of them in the latest study. 92% of the elite scientists in the National Academy of Science.

What evidence are you, some random, non-scientist internet poster able to see that the majority of scientists aren't?

I have been researching at a graduate level using peer reviewed sources. Despite your claim, many respected scientists are agnostic. Tyson actually did a lecture on intelligent design where he encouraged people to spend more time focusing on why some (25% he claims) of the most respected scientist are not completely denying the possibility of intelligent design, because that's where things are getting very interesting.