Muslim Explanation Needed.

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I've read no end of 'whacky' islamic laws and OTT punishments from all countries that are cursed with Sharia Law, From Indonesia to Saudi Arabia.

I 'd post a link or two but i'm sure your all familiar with what I mean.

From where I stand Islam seems to have no up side.

If your a muslim you are greatly inconvenienced: with the requirement to pray in specific ways at specific times, not to eat for some days, by the silly dictatas of the koran and by Sharia law.

In return they get what?

72 virgins of course....

Anyway who wants 72 girls that are ineffcient at sex, Allah would make a much more compelling argument if gave 72 whores(Walter is a very funny puppet)

Walter would be my favorite next to Peanut, or even Achmed.

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They want virgins because Mohammed likes 9 year old girls DUH!

Emulation of a disgusting false prophet.

Mohammed was such a pedophile that if he were alive today he'd be a priest.

I know! It disgusts me that people in the Middle East still take this crap seriously. And the punishments for these women are so inane and just the stupidest things imaginable. And you never heard about a Muslim man ever getting arrested for having a cell phone in class, or for marrying a NINE YEAR OLD. I mean, even Bible-thumping, greasy, slimy Christian salesman like Glen Beck aren't that bad.

I still, to this day, find it hilarious that they think they're going to get 72 virgins when they die.

Cracks me up every time! Though it's more of a sadistic laugh than anything.

[That one arab]

actually in factual terms..the 72 virgins thing was something Taliban made up....honestly doesnt even say it in the quran.

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actually in factual terms..the 72 virgins thing was something Taliban made up....honestly doesnt even say it in the quran.

Really? That's interesting.

[Minimalist]

actually in factual terms..the 72 virgins thing was something Taliban made up....honestly doesnt even say it in the quran.

Actually in factual terms every thing in every religion is made up by someone.

[tavarish]

I spoke at length about this very subject on Facebook with two muslim women (one of which was an ex-girlfriend of mine). It started with a video one posted entitled "women, you will love to be muslim after watching this video, trust me" or something to that extent. It was a woman dressed in a burqa talking about how her beliefs changed her life, made her quit smoking, and gave her an awesome outlook. She lived in the US.

I simply asked the muslim women how she would have felt living in a country that was governed by Sharia Law. They came back with a deluge of retorts, none of which answered my question. They told me muslim women are held in very high regard, that they can be heads of household, men have to pay mandated dowry and supply her with payment, and that men and women just have "different roles" and are made for different things.

That's when I explained to them that "separate but equal" is something that was used in the 60s as a euphemism to soften the blow of blatantly racist activities and eliminate guilt. It didn't solve the problem, nor did it promote equality. Of course men and women can do different things, and they are physically different, but placing restrictions on things a person can do because of gender is called bias. Khadija, one of Muhammad's wives, was responsible for spreading the word of the religion around and was praised highly for it. However, how many husbands was she allowed to have? A hell of a lot less than her husband.

I'm not going to repeat any other wacky mysoginistic laws that Islam promotes, because they've been covered already.

I honestly can't understand why a woman that comes from a society based on individuality and civil liberty would want to be a part of a culture that has, in recent years, reverted to one of the most sexist in all the world. Perhaps Christopher Hitchens is right, some people do have the innate need to be slaves.

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actually in factual terms..the 72 virgins thing was something Taliban made up....honestly doesnt even say it in the quran.

Yes quran doesn't give exact number but it mentions several times that you will get some hot chicks called Houri. also quran describes them;
"And full-breasted [companions] of equal age"
naba 33.(78:33)
turkish translation of this verse is really funny i wish you could understand turkish
Anyway taliban probably used some hadith to make that claim. centuries ago a man called Hassan-i Sabbah used same trick to control his assassins.

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That's when I explained to them that "separate but equal" is something that was used in the 60s as a euphemism to soften the blow of blatantly racist activities and eliminate guilt. It didn't solve the problem, nor did it promote equality. Of course men and women can do different things, and they are physically different, but placing restrictions on things a person can do because of gender is called bias. Khadija, one of Muhammad's wives, was responsible for spreading the word of the religion around and was praised highly for it. However, how many husbands was she allowed to have? A hell of a lot less than her husband.

Exactly. Mo never did answer my questions about how many husbands islam would allow me to have, even when I explained that I could support more than one, and that I would treat them nicely. He also never answered my questions regarding whether I, as the wife, should beat them with a toothbrush-sized stick for being lewd or looking at a woman who is not me. Oh well, I guess he didn't really want to convert me. Seriously though, I don't understand how any free person can give it up and take on such a repressive and ridiculous 'moral' system by choice, especially the women.

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Exactly. Mo never did answer my questions about how many husbands islam would allow me to have, even when I explained that I could support more than one, and that I would treat them nicely. He also never answered my questions regarding whether I, as the wife, should beat them with a toothbrush-sized stick for being lewd or looking at a woman who is not me. Oh well, I guess he didn't really want to convert me. Seriously though, I don't understand how any free person can give it up and take on such a repressive and ridiculous 'moral' system by choice, especially the women.

you dont understand this because of personal opinions that might be wrong and maybe you can understand it if you talk with muslim women.

[Minimalist]

Perhaps Christopher Hitchens is right, some people do have the innate need to be slaves.

'Few people prefer liberty, most people would settle for a fair master.'

--G Sallustius Crispus

Apparently, Hitchens has gone Sallust one better when it comes to muslims.

[Scented Nectar]

you dont understand this because of personal opinions that might be wrong and maybe you can understand it if you talk with muslim women.

I do talk with muslim women. And muslim men. And ex-muslim women and men. I also see how muslims treat the women in countries that are run under the good influence of Mr. Allah and his prophet boy. I also see the shit poor job people do when they apologize for (or deny) the sexism and other stupid rules.

Speaking of stupid rules, what's with the silly rule against crossing your legs/ankles when you're sleeping? Does allah have obsessive compulsive disorder? What's with dogs being bad, why did your god make them if they are so bad? It's unecessary nonsense. Neither legcrossing nor dogs are really sinful or evil. Why does your god have such neurotic hangups? Why is his mind so weak?