Michael Zehaf-Bibeau

[The Valkyrie]

By slaughtering CHILDREN!

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, to prevent their parents sacrificing children - for which there is NO evidence - to demons, Yahweh decided to murder them for his own benefits.

God did not bring death to this world. It was Adam who brought death to this world by eating the forbidden fruit.

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned. (Romans 5:12, NIV)

While God did command nations to kill, it's important to remember that he never commanded individuals to kill devoid of their representing a nation.

So no, I don't think you could say that it is legit for any single individual to claim that God commanded them to kill. On the contrary, one of the ten commandments is,
"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13).

The word that God uses for murder is different than the word that is used to mean "kill" when it is carried out in war.

And why would an all knowing, all powerful deity, capable of creating the entire universe, put the forbidden knowledge in the same garden as the only two humans in existence?

And why would it allow the evil being in the form of the serpent into the garden in the first place?

Sounds like, if it existed at all, that it was part of said deity's plan all along.

[Mystic]

To be honest, I think the turn the other cheek words found in the gospel is unrealistic. Mohammad and his followers were facing hostility, and they were forced to react. However, as I shown, the Quran doesn't go on to say you can fight whoever or fight all disbelievers for simply being disbelievers. It said if they incline to peace, to incline to it. Yes there is a lot of verses about Jihaad, but, they put limitations. For example even in Suratal Baraat where it says to kill polytheists after the sacred month is over, it says it's due to them breaking treaties, and as far as those who stayed true to the treaties, to stay true to them. But all these verses are taken out of context.

So, if you want peace, prepare for war.

Now, if there was just some way to view anything as an act of war against Islam...

This is unfair. In the beginning, the Quran was telling the disbelievers, peace, and to each their own religion. It was only after being oppressed, did the Quran, say permission to fight has been given you to because of being oppressed and talked about being kicked out of their homes.

But it stated if the other side incline to peace, to incline to it as well.

Now a person with a dark heart can twist it and say we must fight all people in the west for the foreign policies. But most Muslims say this not an accurate representation of the spirit of these verses.

Take for example the verse, not to kill a soul except for killing another soul or mischief in the land.

Does this allow the killing of innocents? So why take some verses literally while ignoring others.

A holistic approach is needed and also the Quran says "none shall touch it but the pure". So it's own words, it needs a pure heart to understand the Quran. This is because a dark twisted heart can always twist verses and see things in a wrong way and not want to learn wisdom.

[Christian]

And why would an all knowing, all powerful deity, capable of creating the entire universe, put the forbidden knowledge in the same garden as the only two humans in existence?

And why would it allow the evil being in the form of the serpent into the garden in the first place?

Sounds like, if it existed at all, that it was part of said deity's plan all along.

"Forbidden" means it was a boundary which God set. He could have chosen any boundary He wanted - He could have said "don't stand over there." He chose the fruit, hence "forbidden" fruit.

[Lemonvariable72]

Do you understand the significance of what happened here at all? He fucking shot a soldier on the tomb of the unknown soldier, and you want to turn this into a preaching opportunity? Shame on you. This is one of the most important monuments acknowledging the horrors of war, especially the battle of passchendale and you want to use it to further your agenda. Cpl Carillo died, because he was attempting to prevent this man from opening fire in a popular public place, and as a result took 2 shots from a shotgun at point blank range. He didnt run for cover, he tried to grab the mans gun.
Think about that.

Yes, that was a Christian thing to do. God acted through Cpl Carillo to save others.

That's your way of commerating heroism? To rob the man of all his agency and say he was nothing more then a tool? Fuck off, he was acting as his training as a soldier and a border security agent told him to. The fact that chose to stick to his training and do his duty, despite being in point blank range of shotgun, that is heroism. Your god is a cruel piece of shit if that was his way of stopping the gunman, instead making him die in his sleep the night before.

[The Valkyrie]

And why would an all knowing, all powerful deity, capable of creating the entire universe, put the forbidden knowledge in the same garden as the only two humans in existence?

And why would it allow the evil being in the form of the serpent into the garden in the first place?

Sounds like, if it existed at all, that it was part of said deity's plan all along.

"Forbidden" means it was a boundary which God set. He could have chosen any boundary He wanted - He could have said "don't stand over there." He chose the fruit, hence "forbidden" fruit.

And you completely ignored the question.

[Exian]

So, if you want peace, prepare for war.

Now, if there was just some way to view anything as an act of war against Islam...

This is unfair. In the beginning, the Quran was telling the disbelievers, peace, and to each their own religion. It was only after being oppressed, did the Quran, say permission to fight has been given you to because of being oppressed and talked about being kicked out of their homes.

But it stated if the other side incline to peace, to incline to it as well.

Hey this is cool!

Hopefully a large group of people sharing the quality of having a dark heart doesn't come along and organize under this flag, and use it to do evil. Otherwise, they'll just exist as single separate evil anomalies...

Now a person with a dark heart can twist it and say we must fight all people in the west for the foreign policies. But most Muslims say this not an accurate representation of the spirit of these verses.

...well shit.

Take for example the verse, not to kill a soul except for killing another soul or mischief in the land.

Does this allow the killing of innocents? So why take some verses literally while ignoring others.

You tell me. I don't take any of it at all.

A holistic approach is needed and also the Quran says "none shall touch it but the pure". So it's own words, it needs a pure heart to understand the Quran. This is because a dark twisted heart can always twist verses and see things in a wrong way and not want to learn wisdom.

Now, if we could just get rid of human variation. Good luck with that.

[Christian]

... his way of stopping the gunman, instead making him die in his sleep the night before.

That would be violation of his free will.

[The Valkyrie]

... his way of stopping the gunman, instead making him die in his sleep the night before.

That would be violation of his free will.

So is making an innocent soldier die as a tool for his followers to prosletyse.

[Christian]

So is making an innocent soldier die as a tool for his followers to prosletyse.

No, God did not kill him, the gunman did. But God acted quick through the soldier to stop further bloodshed.

[Mystic]

This is unfair. In the beginning, the Quran was telling the disbelievers, peace, and to each their own religion. It was only after being oppressed, did the Quran, say permission to fight has been given you to because of being oppressed and talked about being kicked out of their homes.

But it stated if the other side incline to peace, to incline to it as well.

Hey this is cool!

Hopefully a large group of people sharing the quality of having a dark heart doesn't come along and organize under this flag, and use it to do evil. Otherwise, they'll just exist as single separate evil anomalies...

Now a person with a dark heart can twist it and say we must fight all people in the west for the foreign policies. But most Muslims say this not an accurate representation of the spirit of these verses.

...well shit.

Take for example the verse, not to kill a soul except for killing another soul or mischief in the land.

Does this allow the killing of innocents? So why take some verses literally while ignoring others.

You tell me. I don't take any of it at all.

A holistic approach is needed and also the Quran says "none shall touch it but the pure". So it's own words, it needs a pure heart to understand the Quran. This is because a dark twisted heart can always twist verses and see things in a wrong way and not want to learn wisdom.

Now, if we could just get rid of human variation. Good luck with that.

People use all sorts of excuses to justify evil. In this case, this ideology we are seeing from ISIS is baseless from Quran but they carry the banner as if they are representing the Quran. The Quran teaches opposite to what they teach.

We've seen in history there were even sects that said Ali was God on earth even though this contradicts the theology of Quran clearly.