Systematically Dismantling Atheism

[Exian]

Hello IDScience! to the AF

If I am following you correctly, then what you're saying is- because we see increments in the sentient intelligence here on Earth, it is easy to imagine the existence of an ever increasing intelligence somewhere in the universe. Is this right?

Lets just use the increments we see on earth and let our intelligence play the role of the highest possible achievement in that arena. We start with the emergence of life, which we then build on to create ever increasing intelligence until we arrive at us. It's at this point that you would then state humans have created everything. Do you see the giant hole in your argument?

The reason we can agree on a 1% higher intelligence is that we can look at the current gradient existing today, as well as our own evolutionary journey. But even if we use this reasoning to arrive at the maximal level of intelligence, how does this intelligence then go back and create everything that it built itself on for its own existence?

Honestly, this seems too obvious now that I've said it "out loud". I have to have missed something, right?

[Jackalope]

Learn the law of exclude [sic] middle

Many of us are quite aware of it.

You, on the other hand, are abusing it.

Theism: I believe a god exists.
Atheism: I do not believe god exists.

The only excluded middle is a product of your own imagination.

[TheRealJoeFish]

ID, your main problem (among many, but most have been elucidated by other posters already, so I'm only addressing this one) is that you get to "God-like intelligence" and then jump to "God." Sure, at least one hopefully rational atheist (the only one I can speak for) believes that there is a (small) non-zero possibility that there is an entity somewhere in this universe that has intelligence that far surpasses any human's. But I do not believe that this hypothetical god-like intelligence 1) has existed forever, 2) can alter the physical universe through non-physical means, or has any of the other powers that any definition if "god" will possess if that god is sufficiently distinct from, well, a "not-god."

Sure, you can incrementally argue intelligence up from a human standard. But you can't do the same with, say, the ability to create matter or to read minds or the like.

[dyresand]

god cannot be eternal and forever. he himself falls prey to the watch maker argument for god would need a creator for he is if he exist is complex.
like a watch doesn't come from nothing and is forever same holds true for a god if one so existed. then who created god and who creator the creator of god and
so on. the laws of the universe has already been tampered with already by physicists on a small scale then why would god create such a vast universe that would
tear itself apart due to entropy. Intelligence is another thing if god knew everything he would make himself more apparent in peoples lives because he is omniscient.
He isn't that bright seeing how he created man with 1 vital weakness. it takes faith to believe in god, but it doesn't take faith to not believe in a god. to say you have a
belief that god does not exist is very dishonest way of putting it. i say there is no god there is no need for a god because well if he did exist he wouldn't be pleasant nice
or all loving, more of a deity who punishes you to have faith in him. There is no way that god could exist because god is made up if he did exist he would have some sort
of wave length or energy pattern considering well he is all powerful and never holds back. But i digress this whole post is very dishonest against atheism OP you need to
reevaluate. Atheists hold no belief of faith system it is bad and it does harm, to say you have a belief that god does not exist is very dishonest i believe the only people to
fall into that category are well agnostics but that's pushing it.

[Whateverist]

I know what you believe because I know what you don't believe. Either God exists or he does not exist. Therefore If you claim you don't believe your team will lose, I understand you must believe your team will win because no third option exists.

We're playing a game? No one told me. How does anyone get as whack as you? Hopefully your god loves morons.

[Exian]

Hopefully your god loves morons.

He ought to, he owes his entire existence to them.

[Alex K]

Is there going to be any maths beyond counting psalms?

Anyway, you can evolve a brain the size of a planet, (or Brain 100000^100000 as sophisticated ID scientimathicians like to call it), you'll still be limited by physics, still know nothing about stuff outside the light cone, still not be the creator. Of course, within our universe counting from 13.x bi. Years ago, there wasn't enough time anyways for that.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You know what would really systematically dismantle atheism (???)?

Evidence of your god(s).

You seem pretty fucked on that level, though.

[robvalue]

The bible got it the wrong way round. Man created god in his own image.

Not really relevant, but I've just been wanting to say that

There is only one way to "dismantle" atheism, and that is to provide testable evidence that a god exists. This has never happened, and until it does, atheism is the rational position (as well as a very misunderstood position).

If god gets defined as something untestable, then that's that. It is indistinguishable from something that doesn't exist. The best you could do is find unexplained phenomena in the real world, but there is no way you can link them to something untestable.

There are an infinite number of things that could be true or exist, but cannot be tested. If you accept one of those, then you have no reason to reject any other ones. Therefore you must believe any nonsense I present to you.

Even religious people do not act with this mindset towards any other aspect of life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qahB7mYhLxs

[Heywood]

Note he mentioned "other possible dimensions" !!!

According to the math you use in string theory, they all can exist

You can posit any number of dimensions you want.....but say you posited 100....that wouldn't be string theory....that would be some other theory.

String theory posits 10 or 11(depending on the flavor of String theory) dimensions. An 11 dimensional universe allows for at least 10^500 different configurations(size, curvature, etc) of those 11 dimensions which means String theory allows for at least 10^500 number of ways the universe could be different(i.e. have different physics).

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Is there going to be any maths beyond counting psalms?

Anyway, you can evolve a brain the size of a planet, (or Brain 100000^100000 as sophisticated ID scientimathicians like to call it), you'll still be limited by physics, still know nothing about stuff outside the light cone, still not be the creator. Of course, within our universe counting from 13.x bi. Years ago, there wasn't enough time anyways for that.

A brain that large would then begin to "feel" the effects of the finite speed at which information could travel. Because it would take so long from information from a neuron on one side of the brain to reach a neuron on another....the brain wouldn't think as fast as a smaller brain. The bigger the brain the slower it thinks. A brain the size of the solar system might take several hours to consciously compute 2+2=4 while you can do that in nearly an instant.