Objectifying women

[Godhead]

In this mind -

It sounds like your judgment has been clouded by whatever you've experienced or seen. Instead of discussing this on a forum, I'd advise you to see someone about this and get some closure.

[Scented Nectar]

To anyone thinking it's good advice to advise against attractive clothing:

You're trying to prove cause without even correlation. To even get to a correlation stage, you'll have to factor in all sorts of other possible things that may have gotten the rapist's attention over other targets. Both sexual attractors and nonsexual. Hair length/style, make up or not, skinny or fat, loud or quiet, heels or flat shoes, assertive or meek, physically strong or weak, blah, blah, blah....

Of course, before the above, you will have to demonstrate whether or not rapists tend to find the same women arousing as normal men do, and to do that, you will first need to find some sort of agreed on standard as to what is attractive to normal men.

And that is just to get to a correlation, and that is why my eyes are rolling for fuck's sake.

[In This Mind]

It sounds like your judgment has been clouded by whatever you've experienced or seen. Instead of discussing this on a forum, I'd advise you to see someone about this and get some closure.

Sounds like your judgment is impaired by your penis. I advise you to see someone and have it removed immediately.

It's absolutely sick that men like you put the woman on trial when she is attacked. What was she doing, what was she wearing, how can we degrade her further.

All the exact same sickness that puts women behind veils and in burkas rather than let them incite those poor, innocent boys to lust.

[Godhead]

In this mind -

I'm not putting women who have been attacked on trial. I'm giving simple common sense advice to women to be careful and avoid risky situations as much as they can, for their own safety. There's a difference between giving someone advice and putting them on trial. Again, you really shouldn't be discussing this with people on a forum. I seriously advise you to speak to someone.

[In This Mind]

I'm not putting women who have been attacked on trial. I'm giving simple common sense advice to women to be careful and avoid risky situations as much as they can, for their own safety. There's a difference between giving someone advice and putting them on trial. Again, you really shouldn't be discussing this with people on a forum. I seriously advise you to speak to someone.

My pathetic little friend,

Not only have I spoken with someone, I have taken in depth psychology and sociology courses on the subject and counseled other rape victims.

You are putting women on trial. You are stating 'if you just followed this advice you wouldn't be raped'. So when the woman gets raped, your attitude becomes, as you've made clear by your comments in this thread, that if only she'd followed that advice, she wouldn't have been raped.

If you follow this advice you won't get raped = If only you'd followed that advice, you wouldn't have been raped.

And either way, it's a FUCKING LIE.

There is no advice that can magically keep a woman from being the victim of sexual assault. She has no control over it. It doesn't matter what she wears, what she carries, whether she travels in a group in public, or whether she locks the doors at night. The only person who decides whether or not a woman is the victim of sexual assault is the rapist.

An ordinary man does not rape. A woman's clothing choices do not affect this. Thus, the statement that dressing in a sexy manner affects a woman's chances of being raped are a flat out lie. A lie that does more harm than good, for two reasons. 1) it places blame on the victim, and 2) it convinces women that if they dress nicely they are safe.

[Godhead]

In this mind -

You're reading into people's words again. What I'm saying is that you should be careful. Of course there's no guarantee, but that's no reason to be foolish and take the risk. In no way being sensible place the blame on the victim and no one here is telling you that. Nor does it convince women of anything other than that they should use common sense.

[In This Mind]

You're reading into people's words again. What I'm saying is that you should be careful. Of course there's no guarantee, but that's no reason to be foolish and take the risk. In no way being sensible place the blame on the victim and no one here is telling you that. Nor does it convince women of anything other than that they should use common sense.

So now rape victims are fools as well. Because if only they hadn't taken the risk, they wouldn't have been raped. Once again, you are blaming the victim. Because if only they'd used common sense, they wouldn't have been raped.

Wow. If only I'd been more careful, huh? I wouldn't have been a victim. Gee, thank you so much for your blame.

You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. It's like a compulsion for you.

And yes, it does convince some women of that. I know, I've actually talked to them and read the studies.

Was this you?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...802AA1IDCS

Wow, does she nail you guys: http://whatprivilege.com/abused-kids-can...r-parents/
http://whatprivilege.com/non-survivor-pr...d-silence/

[Godhead]

In this mind -

Rape victims who consciously choose to ignore the risks are foolish, yes of course.

[In This Mind]

In this mind -

Rape victims who consciously choose to ignore the risks are foolish, yes of course.

See, there you go, blaming the victim again.

[Tiberius]

The victim being foolish =/= blaming the victim.

As people in this thread and others have already argued, if a man walks around a bad neighbourhood with money spilling out of his pockets, he does so at his own risk. The likelihood is that he will get robbed / mugged. He was being a fool.

Likewise, if a girl has the chance to take a cab home, or walk home with friends, or any number of alternative *safe* ways of getting home, and instead chooses to go it alone, then she is being foolish. The blame lies with the perpetrator, as it does in the mugging case as well, but that doesn't mean the victims weren't being foolish.