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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, that would be the agnostic position. The atheist position is "I don't believe".
Meh, f'ing F&F too quick on the draw.
I've debated atheists on this forum who say that atheism is not a belief that God doesn't exist, but rather a belief that God hasn't been proven to exist.
Very good Lek. And that's 'belief' not knowledge. Two different things bud.
I do not hold a belief in God, as it is an unsubstantiated claim, hence --> atheism.
However, I do not claim to know there isn't a god, hence --> agnosticism.
Newsflash, many, many theists are agnostic as well.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:02 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, that would be the agnostic position. The atheist position is "I don't believe".
Meh, f'ing F&F too quick on the draw.
I've debated atheists on this forum who say that atheism is not a belief that God doesn't exist, but rather a belief that God hasn't been proven to exist. I always thought that agnostics believe a god exists, but don't understand the nature of god.
You deserve a cookie now.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Very good Lek. And that's 'belief' not knowledge. Two different things bud.
I do not hold a belief in God, as it is an unsubstantiated claim, hence --> atheism.
However, I do not claim to know there isn't a god, hence --> agnosticism.
Newsflash, many, many theists are agnostic as well.
Do you believe that there is no God or just that God hasn't been substantiated?
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: I've debated atheists on this forum who say that atheism is not a belief that God doesn't exist, but rather a belief that God hasn't been proven to exist. I always thought that agnostics believe a god exists, but don't understand the nature of god.
Agnosticism is the position that the existence of a god is unknown or possibly unknowable.
Atheism is the absence of belief that a god exists.
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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2014 at 6:11 pm by GrandizerII.)
(November 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Very good Lek. And that's 'belief' not knowledge. Two different things bud.
I do not hold a belief in God, as it is an unsubstantiated claim, hence --> atheism.
However, I do not claim to know there isn't a god, hence --> agnosticism.
Newsflash, many, many theists are agnostic as well.
Do you believe that there is no God or just that God hasn't been substantiated?
Yes to both (in my case).
I believe there is no God partially because God hasn't been substantiated.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:11 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Very good Lek. And that's 'belief' not knowledge. Two different things bud.
I do not hold a belief in God, as it is an unsubstantiated claim, hence --> atheism.
However, I do not claim to know there isn't a god, hence --> agnosticism.
Newsflash, many, many theists are agnostic as well.
Do you believe that there is no God or just that God hasn't been substantiated? I do not believe in god because theistic claims haven't been substantiated.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:14 pm
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(November 19, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: I've debated atheists on this forum who say that atheism is not a belief that God doesn't exist, but rather a belief that God hasn't been proven to exist. Because it isn't a belief that god doesn't exist. It's not believing that god exists. 
The proof bit is also additional to atheism. For some it's proof, for others evidence, for some both - and yet others still...neither..
Quote:I always thought that agnostics believe a god exists, but don't understand the nature of god.
That would be an agnostic deist or theist. An agnostic atheist doesn't know whether or not god exists, and doesn't believe that god exists.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:14 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Lek Wrote: Do you believe that there is no God or just that God hasn't been substantiated?
Personally I believe there's no Abrahamic nor pagan god as can be found in scriptures and legends.
If you're asking about some higher power, the answer would be "I don't know, it hasn't been substantiated".
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:17 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Lek Wrote: Do you believe that there is no God or just that God hasn't been substantiated?
In general, I disbelieve that gods exist because the claim that they do has never met its burden of proof.
There are specific gods, however, that I actively believe do not exist.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 6:18 pm
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