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Detecting design or intent in nature
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 (January 6, 2015 at 10:25 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yeah I'm leaning towards a bit of a poe myself. That or some sort of Baptist trying to make catholics look like idiots. Not that they need any help. 
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 (January 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Certainly the simulators are systems designed for evolution occur. The "organisms" in them and their environment are designed. The choice as to which to reproduce is also designed pretty much in the same way artificially selection is used to change animals. You are shifting the goal posts here. In this thread I am not claiming that the universe is designed. I am claiming that the evolutionary system which resulted in you and I existing was designed or at least required a pre-existing intellect to exist. Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it. In another thread I did claim the universe appeared to be designed....but remember I said it wasn't designed for life but rather is was designed for emergent complexity.  (January 6, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it. Except one, you know...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 6, 2015 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2015 at 11:46 am by robvalue.)
We most likely evolved from gunk, a spark from some sort of soup. There's no evidence of or requirement for external intelligence to get from that gunk to us. Evolution is a natural process. Of course "intelligence" (whatever that means) is involved as part of the process, because intelligent creatures are evolving. That does not point to external intelligence.
If you want to talk about the spark, that's not evolution anymore, and there's no reason to assume intelligence was involved there either. Science is plugging up that god of the gaps pretty fast. If some guy wanted humans for company, this is about the stupidest way he could have gone about it. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (January 6, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it. If every pool of water you'd ever seen was artificial, could you safely draw the same conclusion for naturally occurring ones?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 6, 2015 at 11:43 am)Alex K Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it. Which one is that? (January 6, 2015 at 11:50 am)Heywood Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 11:43 am)Alex K Wrote: Except one, you know... life, possibly :-)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(January 6, 2015 at 11:48 am)Stimbo Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it. If every pool of water, whose circumstances of origination were known to me, turned out to be artificial, that would give me good reason to believe that all pools of water are artificial. 
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