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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm
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(April 22, 2015 at 4:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @Nestor -I can't imagine how, so......-? ...so we are no different than computers...
Apparently.
"The mind is the necessary result of combined atoms (molecules) in a special arrangement (patterns)... but only when complexity reaches an unimaginable stage."
Maybe it is, maybe isn't. I just like to shit all over people's feigned certainty.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 5:19 pm
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(April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Nestor Wrote: Maybe it is, maybe isn't. I just like to shit all over people's feigned certainty.
How rude. Don't you remember that we have a God given right not to be offended in our scientism?
(April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (April 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Guys, read about artificial neural networks. We are not talking about writing an algorithm that acts in some limited fixed ways here, as the colloquial use of the word "programming" would suggest. This is true enough. In fact, in a complex ANN, we STILL won't know how complex ideas form. Much as with the brain (maybe more so), we will only be able to wave toward our ANN and say, "Something happened in there. . ."
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My question is this. Is it safe therefore to ASSUME that something which behaves like an emotional human therefore has an actual mind and actual feelings? How do you tell the difference between an actually sentient being and one that might seem to be sentient, but really isn't? Should robots that can pass the Turing test be given human rights? Should disabling one count as murder?
You ask the famous question about philosophical zombies. Well, I don't know, of course. But I'd be willing to believe that something which behaves like an emotional human and generates this behaviour via a similar procedure, actually is sentient.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm
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A lot depends on what we find out about our own thought processes and the brain, as well as how closely modeled on the human brain these 'computers' are. At present, it's simply too early to even presuppose that such a thing as a zombie could exist. You're laying claim to more than you actually know.
(April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Is it safe therefore to ASSUME that something which behaves like an emotional human therefore has an actual mind and actual feelings? How do you do that now? How do you know a psychopath or an autistic person has a mind? How do you know you or I have a mind?
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Guys, read about artificial neural networks. We are not talking about writing an algorithm that acts in some limited fixed ways here, as the colloquial use of the word "programming" would suggest.
That is what i am hinting at and even quantum computing because well that technology is going to be better than us brain wise.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: (April 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Guys, read about artificial neural networks. We are not talking about writing an algorithm that acts in some limited fixed ways here, as the colloquial use of the word "programming" would suggest.
That is what i am hinting at and even quantum computing because well that technology is going to be better than us brain wise.
I think so, too. I don't think our brain truly exploits quantum effects on a larger scale to do what it does, and that is going to be a whole nother ballpark.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 8:41 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: How do you know you or I have a mind? ![[Image: woah.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fwoah.gif)
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 8:48 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 1:05 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: (April 21, 2015 at 9:48 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Man-made computers are made of materials that don't do that. Carbon atoms do do that. It's not hard to understand.
I think you're abusing the do too much 
Do two.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 8:50 pm
No. We can think outside the box.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 9:03 pm
I see the Giant lettering is back. Give us a break!
That option should be removed from the sig form.
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RE: We are no different than computers
April 22, 2015 at 9:05 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 9:03 pm)IATIA Wrote: I see the Giant lettering is back. Give us a break!
That option should be removed from the sig form.
Same size as half the sigs here.
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