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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 4:17 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 3:03 am)Godschild Wrote: God is so complex and pefect nothing could have designed Him.
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Well that does solve the infinite regress thing very neatly. There's just one big problem: You pulled it out of your ass. Not you, specifically but theologians throughout the ages. It's pure speculation without the tiniest shred of evidence. Nothing wrong with speculation but it's no more useful than, "I don't know" - and much less honest.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 3:03 am)Godschild Wrote: God is so complex and pefect nothing could have designed Him.
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And yet, the typical christer claim about the eye is that it's too complex to not have a designer. You can't have it both ways GC. If the eye is too complex, then something even more complex has an even greater need for a designer.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 4:52 pm
"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water. You don't grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do you will become stiff and tight in the water, and sink. You have to relax, and the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging, and holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be."
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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(April 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (April 30, 2015 at 3:03 am)Godschild Wrote: God is so complex and pefect nothing could have designed Him.
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And yet, the typical christer claim about the eye is that it's too complex to not have a designer. You can't have it both ways GC. If the eye is too complex, then something even more complex has an even greater need for a designer.
The more complex something is, the more obviously it needs a designer. Except when it doesn't. It's all just a bunch of special pleading, really.
Why is the notion that the most complex thing imaginable just exists for no reason is more believable than the least complex thing imaginable (e.g. fundamental particles) existing for no reason. You would think that, using their own logic, it would be the other way around.
Wait, maybe I'm onto something here... 
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 5:00 pm
This is a good visualization of the evolution of the human eye, as well as the Optic Nerve blind spot.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(April 28, 2015 at 11:45 am)Lek Wrote: I wonder why humans and other creatures evolved to have such a painful and dangerous way to give birth.
Because a large brain capable of modeling reality is a powerful survival tool.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 6:09 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 3:03 am)Godschild Wrote: God is so complex and pefect nothing could have designed Him.
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Never speak or type another word in your life. No seriously. You have done such great service in straining the fabric of reality with stupidity that anything else that flops out of that excuse for a brain will most likely cause the extinction of the human race by spontaneous black hole.
For the good of humankind, I ask that you never again communicate with another person, and never share the contents of your mind. For the hearts of men cannot bear your level of inanity, and more than likely will never be able to.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 6:20 pm
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(April 30, 2015 at 3:03 am)Godschild Wrote: God is so complex and pefect nothing could have designed Him.
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You know that with this statement, you whole world view folds in on itself, because if nature is so complex that it had to be designed, and that requires God, but God is too complex to be designed... we have run into an unsolvable inconsistency...
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 6:26 pm
It's like the games we would play as children, where our oppenent's Super-Duper Ultimate Mega Destruction Laser could not hope to penetrate our Mega Hyper Super Ultra Double Mega Triple Unaffected By Absolutely Anything Ever Shields.
It is literally as stupid as that. I'm almost thankful for GodsChild in a way, he has managed to distill the stupidity down to its purest form, and he had the balls to post it with a straight face. Fair fucking play in that regard.
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RE: The Human Eye: A Double Standard?
April 30, 2015 at 6:43 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 5:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
This is a good visualization of the evolution of the human eye, as well as the Optic Nerve blind spot.
That is a really good video. I hope a lot of people watch it. Especially creationists.
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