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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 3:22 pm
(July 4, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Metis Wrote: I have to say OP I find your arguments fairly weak but I do agree with the main point. The idea of the three parts of the one is not something that originated in Egyptian religion, we can find traces elsewhere in Asia of worship of the Mother Goddess extending back into pre-historic times, centered around under various terms devotion to three figures representing three stages of life; maiden, mother and crone. Yes I know the wiccas have taken onto this, it's not something new they cooked up, they just tarted it up with some semi-femenist connections it never had before.
Just look at all the naked men in the Vatican. I don't find it coincidental at all that while much of classical literature was destroyed, all the sculptures of athletic men survived.
As for why the Church attracted so many gay men? Think about it, there were no LGBT societies for hundreds of years, where else is better to hide than in plain sight? Who is going to suspect the biggest homophobe of actually being gay himself? More than that, supposing rumors did get out, who the hell can take action against him? You piss a bishop off and he'll call the full wrath of the rest of Western Christendom eager for any reason to declare war on a weaker power to steal all their stuff. Even centuries later, if you tell your parents what the priest did to you he'll effortlessly destroy all opportunities of a career or marriage that might come up for you.
The priesthood has actually proved to be a very useful tool of defense for a few gay men over the years, one often abused unfortunately when they realized just what they could do with it. An Asian trinity! Oh, this goes way back. I will definitely study up on this and include it in any future essays on this subject.
Over the last few years, a lot of men have come forth about what was done to them by priest when they were altar boys. At first all the Church wanted to do is transfer the priest to another Church. It took so much public outrage to bring just a little bit of justice. Imagine if the Church still hade as much power as it used to have. I will be glad when Jesus goes the way of Zeus and Apollo—something people used to do.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 3:46 pm
What is Jesus but a masochistic homosexual narcissist?
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 3:49 pm
(July 4, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I'm not surprised by any of the appropriation of Egyptian culture. It's common knowledge now that Christianity basically borrows and twists all it's beliefs, festivals, the God itself and even some sacriments (marriage in particular) from earlier cultures. It's not a creative religion, it's a religion built as an amalgamation of earlier ones. And then Christianity calls Paganism, which it gets its festivals from, "savage". The irony...
Increasingly I find the straighter the man is the less he's bothered. We have straight members of this forum so comfortable in their sexuality that they can have a serious discussion without thinking it makes them gay, then we have "straight-acting, masc4masc, no fems" all over Grindr.
You know, just about everything they've told us about Jesus is based on astrology.
Even when I was a Christian, I cringed at the way other Christians treated homosexuals. They'd say Jesus could heal you of your homosexual tendencies. I'd say he didn't heal Jimmy Swaggart of his heterosexual tendencies. As long as you are for real, accept me as a human being and have something on your mind that we can talk about, the chromosome configuration of the people you sleep with is not an issue for me.
I was in another forum a while ago where somebody raised the question to straight men of what they would do if they found out their best friend was gay. Most men said it wouldn't make a difference though some said they would feel betrayed that they had not known. One guy said if he found out his homeboy was gay he would stop asking him if he had his back (slang for will you watch out for me when I'm not looking?).
Show me a man who's comfortable with his women friends and I'll show you a man who is comfortable with his gay friends.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm
(July 4, 2015 at 3:46 pm)Chuck Wrote: What is Jesus but a masochistic homosexual narcissist?
masochistic? Well there is the passage where his disciples asked him why he spoke in parables and he told them it was because there were some people that he did not want to understand what the kingdom of god was about less they repent and their sins be forgiven.
homosexual? well there's the scene of the disciple that he loved leaning on his breast.
narcissist? I don't know. somebody help me out.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 4:26 pm
'I am god' does sound a teensy weensy bit overconfident, IMHO
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 4:37 pm
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(July 4, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: though some said they would feel betrayed that they had not known
To a point, that's understandable to me. I think some people do wonder "well, did they not trust me?" when a friend they've known since the Stone Age finally tells them. I remember when I was coming out, I tried to explain to some of my long-term friends that my choice not to tell them was about me not being ready, not about trust. I knew my best friend Kris would be supportive for ages before I finally said it, but I just wasn't ready to come out.
That said, when someone takes this feeling of betrayal to an extreme, that to me just reeks of this pathetic "straight victim" narrative. There are many reasons why someone might not scream about being gay, some people have this entitlement where they feel they need to know.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 5:25 pm
(July 4, 2015 at 4:37 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: (July 4, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: though some said they would feel betrayed that they had not known
To a point, that's understandable to me. I think some people do wonder "well, did they not trust me?" when a friend they've known since the Stone Age finally tells them. I remember when I was coming out, I tried to explain to some of my long-term friends that my choice not to tell them was about me not being ready, not about trust. I knew my best friend Kris would be supportive for ages before I finally said it, but I just wasn't ready to come out.
That said, when someone takes this feeling of betrayal to an extreme, that to me just reeks of this pathetic "straight victim" narrative. There are many reasons why someone might not scream about being gay, some people have this entitlement where they feel they need to know. Why do they need to know? There is a point where people use being hurt and disappointed to control us. When a person starts going there I say fuck that. I guess coming out about who you are sexually is not much different from me telling my mother (an ordained evangelist) that I'm no longer a Christian. You and I have both dealt with people who demand more respect than they are willing to give. Sometimes the need to tell is strong because there's a limit to how close you can get to a person when you have all this stuff you can't talk to them about. Even now my mother is pretending I'm still a Christian, but she knows and she has said some things to me that make me reluctant to sleep in her house with both eyes closed.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 5:53 pm
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OP: that is such a gay thing to say.
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 6:08 pm
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(July 4, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I'm not surprised by any of the appropriation of Egyptian culture. It's common knowledge now that Christianity basically borrows and twists all it's beliefs, festivals, the God itself and even some sacriments (marriage in particular) from earlier cultures. It's not a creative religion, it's a religion built as an amalgamation of earlier ones. And then Christianity calls Paganism, which it gets its festivals from, "savage". The irony...
Increasingly I find the straighter the man is the less he's bothered. We have straight members of this forum so comfortable in their sexuality that they can have a serious discussion without thinking it makes them gay, then we have "straight-acting, masc4masc, no fems" all over Grindr.
Every rational straight man likes there to be gay men. In fact, the more men who are gay, the better. That is because there is then less competition for women.
And, of course, every rational straight man likes gay women. That is because there is nothing more beautiful than two women expressing their love for each other.
I suspect every man who is homophobic of being a closeted gay man. If he were really straight, he would love the fact that there are gay people.
Go on, give in to your gay urges. You know you want to...
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RE: At its Core, Christianity is a Gay Religion
July 4, 2015 at 6:28 pm
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Exactly, get off my dick and go find a girl who wants yours, if you're so straight. What straight guy cares more about attacking gay people than they do about getting laid?
Also these "straight" men who think all the gays want to fuck them. Go home please, your mug is cracked, your frame is damaged and you stink. WTF ain't nobody asking for your presence, guys or girls.
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