Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[Ace]

Ace, I'm not even gonna try to quote that mess, but I'll try to address at least some of it.

You are right, it is a lot of  history to go thought and since I am not writing a paper or giving a presentation, I to do not have the energy right now to argue. I will respond to your post, but I am not looking to argue history because their is a lot to write about.

First off, christians kill other christians all the time. That is a non-argument.

I did not say Christians killing other Christians, you said that form some conclusion. So it is your statement that is non-argument

As for church closings, Hitler was trying to create a unified German church. He wasn't trying to get rid of religion, he was trying to get rid of everything except the state religion, and the state religion was a Christian German Church. Again, 10 seconds spent with google would have taught you this. Nazi Germany was Christian, and they were closing churches to set up their own unified church. Look it up.

Agree and you will find this in wiki.

"Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people—their attitudes, values and mentalities—into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances.

Under the Gleichschaltung process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches. The plan failed, and was resisted by the Confessing Church. Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate political catholicism

Hitler by no means was still catholic after he left his home. He actually had a dislike for his child hood faith.
Historians have suspected this was an attempt to start a cult worshipping Hitler as the new Messiah. However, in a diary entry of 28 December 1939, Joseph Goebbels wrote that "the Fuhrer passionately rejects any thought of founding a religion. He has no intention of becoming a priest. His sole exclusive role is that of a politician." In Hitler's political relations dealing with religion he readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes

Christianity remained the dominant religion in Germany through the Nazi period, and its influence over Germans displeased the Nazi hierarchy. Evans wrote that Hitler believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition". Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

Again, Stalin was power-mad, and religion (aside from its other failings) can inspire people to threaten and sometimes overthrow earthly authority. Stalin's efforts against religion were likely in favor of empowering the state, not setting up atheism as the official state position. Stalin was destroying power threats, not opposing ideologies.

Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy, based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs.

The Soviet regime had an ostensible commitment to the complete annihilation of religious institutions and ideas. Militant atheism was central to the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and a high priority of all Soviet leaders. Convinced atheists were considered to be more virtuous individuals than those of religious belief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...viet_Union

Stalin had a complex relationship with religion. He officially adopted the Russian Communist Party’s stance on religion, claiming atheism and continuing the tradition of teaching atheism in schools and propagating the idea that religion was only damaging to a perfect communist society. Stalin even took it further than his predecessor, Lenin, and initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and religious property and even persecute and kill church officials.3 It is said that under Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church went from 50,000 to 500 open and operating churches

There were time were he would be relaxed with his policy but, still during
his life time, under his rule the religious were always being arrested and sent away to camps in Siberia.

But for all accounts and purposes, Stalin was a hardcore atheist until the day he died

http://hollowverse.com/joseph-stalin/

Same thing with Mao. Yes, China is still imperialistic and puts a lot of pressure and heavy scrutiny on religion, but technically the Chinese have more religious freedom today than they did under older forms of Chinese Communism.[/color]

Well tell that shit to Titbit and the Dalai lama

Unless you can provide figures that definitively show that violence is more common amongst non-religious people, you have nothing.

Haha so we are just making flat out  statements with no backing?hAHAHA if that is your position your are right we got nothing to talk about.

You do know that number's in history are more estimate's and not always 100% official.

HAHAHAH And what is your prof of your statement of religious killing more the atheist? And as you say, " [i]Isolated examples from history are nothing more than anecdotes, and even the ones you've presented are either wrong or debatable as to whether it was atheism or some other factor that accounts for the actual violence"

So please numbers only.