RE: Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet
August 11, 2015 at 1:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm by Redbeard The Pink.)
(August 11, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Anima Wrote:(August 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Because the state incurs the cost of recognizing the relationships of other citizens who contribute roughly the same amount they do.
Now you are getting it. The state should incur the cost of recognizing relationship of citizens whose RELATIONSHIPS provide a benefit to the State. (Do not make the mistake in saying if they are equal in one regard they are equal in all; which is a false equivalency. This is to say do not make the mistake of saying heteros and homos both pay taxes so both of their relationships should be recognized. The recognition of their relationship has no bearing on their ability to convey tax benefit to the state. It may even be said to recognition of relationships cost the state more therefore additional benefit must be provided by the relationship in particular rather than their individual person in general. Furthermore to say tax benefit should translate to state incurred cost in recognition of relationship would be akin to saying pedos also pay taxes therefore the state should recognize their relationships since they roughly contribute the same amount to the State as other citizens in regards to taxes. Which we know is not correct.)
As such the question becomes do hetero and homo relationships convey the same benefit to the state? You stipulate they roughly do. If I am to accept your assertion of roughly (which I do not agree is the case) than I would be recognizing that "roughly" the same is not the same. Furthermore, I would recognize "roughly" as being less than rather than greater than the same. So what is the primary difference? What benefit do hetero couples convey to the state, if any, that homo couples do not? Answer, additional tax and production base by means of natural procreation. Thus it may be readily said the state should incur a cost for the addition benefit of hetero relationships and it should not incur a cost for the homo relationships which convey no additional benefit to the state.
Now I imagine this is where someone will try to ride the IVF pony. To which we have previously expressed is a very financial and resource expensive procedure and in the end is nothing more than a hetero action by petri rather than penis and not to be confused as a homo act. In terms of redundancy it is foolish to be hetero by petri when it is so much more effective, easier, and cheaper to be hetero by penis. In either case the homo relationship conveys no benefit to the state (even IVF requires a hetero combination of male and female, to which the homo parties must seek out a third party) and thus the state should not incur a cost to recognize it. The hetero relationship does convey an additional benefit to the state which the state should incur a cost for receiving.
If the benefits that come along with marriage make them more apt to maintain a household, start/run a business, adopt and raise children, and otherwise increase their contribution to society (the same way it does with many married people), then yes, they still contribute roughly the same amount to society that hetero couples do. The reason I use the term "roughly" is that I'm smart enough to not use absolute language unless I can cite what I'm saying as a documented fact. While what I'm saying is epistemologically likely, I would need to do research to justify the use of exacting language.
Your argument boils down to "They're not producing offspring, so they don't benefit the government." The problems with that are at least twofold. For one thing, many of the marriages the government recognizes are between couples where one or both cannot have children. For another, many gay people actually do produce their own offspring because orientation, like gender, is a spectrum. Many non-traditionally oriented people still have sexual encounters with the opposite sex, and many of those sexual encounters still result in viable offspring (most of whom turn out to be heterosexuals, before you even start that bullshit).
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com