Am I Going To Hell?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.

Right...and Gaud knew all that would happen, and he created it anyway knowing that most of humanity would wind up damned. Instead of sparing all those souls by leaving them out of existence, he went ahead and made creation because he figured the few obedient, loving worshipers were worth the suffering and death of the rest of humanity. What a kind Gaud.

Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.

Sin wasn't created, and yet it exists. Your Gaud is supposed to have created everything there is. If it exists and he didn't create it, that statement wouldn't be true, would it? If he created a system where things could come into existence without his creating them, why the fuck did he do that?

Also, when you say "given to us," by whom? By Gaud? So he gave it to us as an opportunity, but he didn't create it? What, was it just lying around?

Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

Hell is described as a lot of things, "fictional" being of the foremost importance.

The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually.

And again, if that's true, it's because Gaud made it that way. If he were really all-powerful, he could have just as easily made a system totally free of suffering where personal growth comes about from eating magic raisins and fucking perfect holes in the wall.

Now...by people who "hate God," do you mean atheists? Haven't we had this discussion before? Your imaginary friend does not exist. We do not hate your imaginary friend.

I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years went by, nothing of consenquence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very appearent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn. We need to learn through the pains of sin and consenquence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.

If we were unable to grow or experience anything, in what way were we not leading a totally programmed experience? If basically all we did was eat, sleep, and fuck, then we were actually living more or less the same lives the animals were living.

No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16

Yeah, and Austin 3:16 says "I just whipped your ass."

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

Right, except that his method for redemption doesn't apply to the whole of humanity, only to those who obey and worship him...hence my statement that he only cares about worship and obedience. If he cared about humans he would save them all, not just those who worship and obey.

You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong.

So the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus must have just sailed right over your head in Sunday School, huh? I realize it's a parable, but what would this parable illustrate about Hell? Certainly not that it's a place where souls are immediately consumed, for the Rich Man in this story has been there long enough to grow desperately thirsty for even a drop of water.

Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.

That medicine is an over-sized, rough-hewn suppository, and I seem to have an allergic reaction to something in it (probably the bullshit). You have fun with that, though. Once you get past the wide part I hear it's supposed to be easier, but then again you probably already knew that, didn't you, Gapes? Can I call you Gapes?