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Dear Resident Theists
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 18, 2015 at 3:21 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 3:22 am by Longhorn.)
(August 17, 2015 at 6:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(August 17, 2015 at 11:17 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok, but how do you figure your god and the first cause are synonymous? How do you figure it had to be your god? Why couldn't it have been anything else?

So your response is because being the creator is one of Allah's attributes? But there are dozens of creator gods out there. Is your conclusion based on revelation only?

Through God's Name/connection we can come to know he is the real true life by which all life exists, and the real existence that exists due to it's nature and not due to something else causing it to exist. It naturally follows that he is the Creator of all things and that there is no gods besides God.

We been given knowledge the true life/existence is God, which is why Quran emphasizes on the name Al-Hayu (The living/the existing).

I get that Allah has these attributes, but I don't see how it 'follows naturally'. You say you know about them through the connection. How does one know a name of god?

But this is still diverting from what I'd like an answer to. I want to know why the first cause has to be conscious. Your answer seems to be that you can get to know god and find out that he is. That is a bit of a leap. We're approaching this in reverse, starting with your god and linking him to the creator. That's illogical, and confirmation bias. This way we could prove Yahweh because one of his attributes on the bible is being the creator. But it does not logically follow from the first cause. Do you see what I mean?

Let's pretend you just demonstrated the need for the universe to be created by an unmoved mover. How would you go about proving it had to be conscious?
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