(August 18, 2015 at 11:06 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Touche lucanus. Yes indeed. That was the point of pascal's wager. If you hold Christianity to be true and it turn out to be false, you've lost nothing. If you hold it be false and it turns out to be true, you've lost everything.
The same thing can be applied to Islam. You have submit to god and do whatever he prescribes, or else.
Pascal's wager is a bullshit argument anyway. "Hey, you have to believe in this character from this particular book, because he says that if you don't, you'll go to hell and suffer eternal torment. So, buy my story and say you believe, and you'll be saved! Just to be sure!". It's a just-in-case argument that has no validity whatsoever in someone's acceptance of a claim - not to mention a particularly utilitarian view of god.
(August 18, 2015 at 11:06 am)lkingpinl Wrote: I understand where you are coming from on the Christian morality. I know many that hold that view and have trouble with it, including Christians. I mean how can we say that you could lead the most heinous life imaginable but if on your death bed you genuinely are remorseful and accept Christ, that you will go to heaven, but your sweet granny who just doesn't believe will be tortured? I get it. It's difficult to reconcile. But one thing I know for sure is I'm not God and I cannot speak for what he will and will not do.
Then why don't you cut all the cognitive dissonance and just admit that the story doesn't make sense? "Mysterious ways" aren't really an explanation, and you know it.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
