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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 19, 2015 at 2:23 am
(August 18, 2015 at 10:22 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:
(August 18, 2015 at 10:18 pm)Pizza Wrote: It doesn't matter that humans created computers. Computers are not minds and yet they produce complexity.

You miss the point. Would computers be capable of producing complexity without humans? No. It requires an intelligence to make it.

In the right physical and chemical conditions they could. Those conditions are very unlikely to be met, though, and humans act as a catalyst by making them way more likely.
Still, computers are examples of something non-conscious that can operate on its own, generating complexity in the process, independently from the existence of someone who built it. Once it's there, it works and it generates complexity, and it's still something that could be produced by natural means - no magic involved.

The fact that we design complex stuff is not evidence that it must always be the case. We have plenty of evidence to infer that life arose spontaneously on this planet just because the chemical conditions were right.

If you're gonna argue that the universe was fine-tuned for that, well, then why limit life to the grain of sand that earth is, compared to the size of the universe? Was your "omnipotent" God bound by something?


PS:
If you want a nice read on biology and complexity, there's this book called "Power, Sex, Suicide: mitochondria and the meaning of life" by Nick Lane which makes some excellent points about the origin of life and the rise of the eukaryotes.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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