(August 18, 2015 at 10:19 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Vic, you are right, at least in my case at approaching it from reverse. I certainly started at Jesus and tested backwards for logical consistency and coherence. I looked in to Islam and pantheism as well. Muhammad was a mere man who when he was getting the revelation from Allah did not know what was happening and it was his wife Khadijah who took him to her Christian cousin Waraqah who claimed it Gabriel revealing this to Muhammad.
Great, but that's not the logical order. You still have to establish It was impossible for the first cause not to be conscious, but what is the elimination process that led you to believing Yahweh is the first cause? Not Jesus. Just Yahweh common for Jews and christians.
Quote:Islam borrowed many things from Judaism and Christianity
Orly. I'm sorry, but it's a bit funny to hear that from the adherent of a Jewish sect. Jews in turn ripped off the Zoroastrians. And since you claim Jesus is so unique....
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I'm sorry friend, but he's really not.
Quote: and reference Deut. 18:18 as the prophecy of Muhammad. Jesus on the other hand did not claim to be a messenger or receiving revelation from God. He claimed to be God. He performed miracles, forgave sin, paid the ultimate price and rose again. Far different from Muhammad. But if you don't accept any of those things happening in Jesus life, or even that he existed at all I can understand the difficulty in leaping.
Did he? How much of that can you prove to have happened?
And read your bible, 'pin. Where does Jesus say he is god? He says he and the father are one, and goes on to say that anyone can be one with the father.
The divinity of Jesus was decided by the simple vote of majority in the 4th century.
Every religion is different and every religion will claim that in its own way. The revelation of prophet Muhammad was the most recent one, and ergo the most accurate. His god is the same god as that of Jews and christians, and Jesus was his prophet too.
Quote:Every religion in the world if you remove its founder or the leader of its movement, it could continue on, with the exception of Christianity. If you remove Christ, from Christian, you are left with IAN and Ian can't help you.
Um....Buddhism?
Even if correct, why would that make it true?
Quote:Christianity has a uniqueness in it. In every other religion, you pay the price for your mistakes. In Islam, your good deeds must outweigh your bad and you must follow the Five pillars. In Hinduism every birth is a rebirth paying for the previous life until you achieve moksha. In Christianity, Christ pays for all mankind's mistakes and one simply has to accept the gift of salvation by grace.
Well, some Christians would probably beg to differ. See, that's the fun thing about having 44,000 denominations. There's quite a bit of room for disagreement, and on pretty fundamental things, too.