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are you left,right or centre?
RE: are you left,right or centre?
Adrian, here are some answers:

1. Currently a very small percentage ( forgive me I can't quote the actual latest statistic but it is astonishingly small )of the mega rich own something like 70-80% of the wealth of the world. You know about the third world, need I expand on that? I hope not.
Under socialism there would be a cap on how much wealth any individual could amass and at the beginning I would anticipate force being required both to win the day over the capitalist class and to relieve the mega rich of their booty. Socialism established, the new dawn would bring a stark redistribution in favour of the proletariat.

2. Under socialism work would not be as it is under capitalism i.e. worship of money and power. Since millionaires would not exist and workers do what they are good at and interested in, for the good of society, the workshy would be few and far between. A further bonus would be the effect on crime i.e it would not be such a problem as it is under capitalism.

3. ( which you say is less important for me to answer, curiously! )
How we get to socialism has been debated down the years. Will it be through the ballot box or by bloody revolution? I think the latter, sadly. I say this because I don't believe the ruling capitalist class will readily concede, even after a democratic process. ( another reading ref. try " The Iron Heel " by Jack London........a wonderful work ,written in the future, when socialism has been established and looking back at the evils of capitalism ).

I should stress the obvious here and now that I cannot give you the " quick fix " answers you would like. Socialism is being built as we speak, but it will take a long time for capitalism to die...and don't ask me how long I don't know!
You appear to dismiss the idea of reading the Ragger Trousered because it was written in the last century. The issues it raises e.g. exploitation of workers, workers undercutting each other to get work, crooked politicians, " charity " ( to make the well-off feel better about themselves ), malevolent churchpeople, silly allegiancies to redundant political parties, the hammering down of the aspirations of the working class are as relevant today as they were 100 years ago and beyond.
The book delivers its verdict on capitalism and sets out the socialist alternative.

I have no doubt that you will think this to be, at best utopian, at worst the rantings of a madman. It's your choice.
But I at least have a vision for a better society and have not given uup the hope of it being realised one far-off day.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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