(August 25, 2015 at 2:22 am)IanHulett Wrote: So, I was debating a presumably religious person on YouTube about Corinthians 7:3-5 which says:
"3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."
I tried to show him the problem with that verse, and how it causes conflict in modern day morality regarding sex. I mentioned that this verse implies that if one person wants sex, and the other doesn't, the other has to submit. Which would mean a response like "I don't want to, but I will because I'm obligated." I told him that this isn't a real yes, that it's NOT consent. I also said "fine, whatever" is not really consent... and for some reason, he got extremely offended.
He wrote:
Quote:"Giving an "I really don't want to, but I'll do it because I'm supposed to," or "Okay, fine, whatever" type of response is not consent."
You are a fucking lunatic. What you just said is beyond insane. I guess I'm a multiple rape victim.
"That's not an enthusiastic yes. If it's not a serious enthusiastic yes, it's not consent."
I see, you're an insane radfem. You are worse than a religious nutjob. This conversation is over. Have fun in crazy world!
He resorted to slander, and called me a radical feminist. I'm not even a feminist. I don't understand. If it's not a real yes, it's not consent. Is there something I did wrong? Is it how I worded myself? What the fuck?
One can consent to things without enthusiasm. If my wife wants pizza for dinner and I want Chinese food, one of us is likely to consent to what the other wants. The consent is real, even if it is not enthusiastic. So the issue is more nuanced than you have presented it.
Regarding your statement that you are not a feminist:
Quote:feminism
noun
[MASS NOUN]
The advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...ctCode=all
Why do you not advocate for women's rights? Do you not believe that the sexes are equal?
If you do advocate for women's rights on the basis that you believe the sexes are equal, you are a feminist.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
