RE: Reporter/camera man murdered.
August 28, 2015 at 8:53 am
(This post was last modified: August 28, 2015 at 9:56 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Our amendments can't -remove- a right. Doesn't work like that. You're asking americans to say "Fuck your constitution", "to hell with your rule of law", "tough shit", etc. Pretty sure we don't have to do that in order to address our problem, and we can't do that anyway......so I guess that's a bullet dodged.
I think that if you considered the reality of both our rule of law, and the reality of guns and gun ownership here, you'd (we'd) be able to come up with a better idea. As I've said, the Mad Max gunstravanganza business is fantasy, our problem is very specific.
Remove the P2P loophole, cut the -legal- flow of firearms into the hands of those who create the problem. It's -already- illegal for a gun shop or manufacturer or box retailer to provide these people with firearms, and that's legislation which has already withstood the 2nd amendment challenge. There's a start.
Hey, there's another possibility, remove the culture of gun myth both sides of this debate lean on so heavily? Stop accepting either fantasy as a valid discourse or acceptable justification for legislation?
We are -failing-, completely failing a significant portion of our fellow americans. They have no reasonable expectation of enjoying the promise this country makes. That shooting someone is or seems to be a better bet, financially and socially, than education (which we fail to adequately address) or a 9-5 job (which we fail to adequately address) is our "gun problem". People not laboring under this burden own the crushing majority of the guns in the country, and their ownership, their guns, don't create the same outcomes. To be blunt, the correlation is entirely opposite. The places that you find the most guns and gun owners in this country are the places where you find the -fewest- gun deaths. It isn't, as some of them would claim, because they have guns, but because they are not being so thoroughly shit upon.
So maybe start with getting rid of that loophole, up above, because that has a direct and specific effect on the engine driving gun deaths. Maybe stop letting nuts with nutty ideas justify their pro or anti gun laws on the basis of those nutty ideas. Maybe focus on fixing the problem we actually have, spending political capital where it might achieve the desired effect, rather than scapegoating guns in order to avoid the uncomfortable fact that it is our failure to our fellow citizens, rather than some unavoidable outcome of gun ownership, that's the problem? We could do all of that without saying "fuck your constitution"....couldn't we?
I think that if you considered the reality of both our rule of law, and the reality of guns and gun ownership here, you'd (we'd) be able to come up with a better idea. As I've said, the Mad Max gunstravanganza business is fantasy, our problem is very specific.
Remove the P2P loophole, cut the -legal- flow of firearms into the hands of those who create the problem. It's -already- illegal for a gun shop or manufacturer or box retailer to provide these people with firearms, and that's legislation which has already withstood the 2nd amendment challenge. There's a start.
Hey, there's another possibility, remove the culture of gun myth both sides of this debate lean on so heavily? Stop accepting either fantasy as a valid discourse or acceptable justification for legislation?
We are -failing-, completely failing a significant portion of our fellow americans. They have no reasonable expectation of enjoying the promise this country makes. That shooting someone is or seems to be a better bet, financially and socially, than education (which we fail to adequately address) or a 9-5 job (which we fail to adequately address) is our "gun problem". People not laboring under this burden own the crushing majority of the guns in the country, and their ownership, their guns, don't create the same outcomes. To be blunt, the correlation is entirely opposite. The places that you find the most guns and gun owners in this country are the places where you find the -fewest- gun deaths. It isn't, as some of them would claim, because they have guns, but because they are not being so thoroughly shit upon.
So maybe start with getting rid of that loophole, up above, because that has a direct and specific effect on the engine driving gun deaths. Maybe stop letting nuts with nutty ideas justify their pro or anti gun laws on the basis of those nutty ideas. Maybe focus on fixing the problem we actually have, spending political capital where it might achieve the desired effect, rather than scapegoating guns in order to avoid the uncomfortable fact that it is our failure to our fellow citizens, rather than some unavoidable outcome of gun ownership, that's the problem? We could do all of that without saying "fuck your constitution"....couldn't we?
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