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Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies!
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies!
Moving on, as I guess G-C is off licking his wounds, we come to this little gem beginning on Page 26:

This is longer - sorry about that - I hope it does not tax xtian attention spans.


Quote:After the disciples eat the Passover meal they go out to the Garden of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Iscariot brings the troops and performs his act of betrayal. Jesus is taken to stand trial before the Jewish authorities. He spends the night in jail, and the next morning he is put on trial before the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him to death by crucifixion. We are told that he is crucified that same day, at nine o’clock in the morning (Mark 15:25). Jesus, then, dies on the day of Passover, the morning after the Passover meal was eaten.

All this is clear and straightforward in Mark’s Gospel, but despite some basic similarities, it is at odds with the story told in the Gospel of John, which is also clear and straightforward. Here, too, Jesus goes to Jerusalem in the last week of his life to celebrate the Passover feast, and here, too, there is a last meal, a betrayal, a trial before Pilate, and the crucifixion. But it is striking that in John, at the beginning of the account, in contrast to Mark, the disciples do not ask Jesus where they are “to prepare the Passover.” Consequently, he gives them no instructions for preparing the meal. They do eat a final supper together, but in John, Jesus says nothing about the bread being his body or the cup representing his blood. Instead he washes the disciples’ feet, a story found in none of the other gospels (John 13:1–20).

After the meal they go out. Jesus is betrayed by Judas, appears before the Jewish authorities, spends the night in jail, and is put on trial before Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him to be crucified. And we are told exactly when Pilate pronounces the sentence: “It was the Day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was about noon” (John 19:14).

Noon? On the Day of Preparation for the Passover? The day the lambs were slaughtered? How can that be? In Mark’s Gospel, Jesus lived through that day, had his disciples prepare the Passover meal, and ate it with them before being arrested, taken to jail for the night, tried the next morning, and executed at nine o’clock A.M. on the Passover day. But not in John. In John, Jesus dies a day earlier, on the Day of Preparation for the Passover, sometime after noon.

I do not think this is a difference that can be reconciled. People over the years have tried, of course. Some have pointed out that Mark also indicates that Jesus died on a day that is called “the Day of Preparation” (Mark 15:42). That is absolutely true—but what these readers fail to notice is that Mark tells us what he means by this phrase: it is the Day of Preparation “for the Sabbath” (not the Day of Preparation for the Passover). In other words, in Mark, this is not the day before the Passover meal was eaten but the day before Sabbath; it is called the day of “preparation” because one had to prepare the meals for Saturday on Friday afternoon.

And so the contradiction stands: in Mark, Jesus eats the Passover meal (Thursday night) and is crucified the following morning. In John, Jesus does not eat the Passover meal but is crucified on the day before the Passover meal was to be eaten. Moreover, in Mark, Jesus is nailed to the cross at nine in the morning; in John, he is not condemned until noon, and then he is taken out and crucified.

Just another holy fuck-up, it seems.
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Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Jaysyn - October 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theVOID - October 27, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Justtristo - November 14, 2010 at 7:02 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Jonah - October 27, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 27, 2010 at 11:08 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - October 28, 2010 at 12:08 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theVOID - October 28, 2010 at 3:09 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - October 28, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theVOID - October 28, 2010 at 4:27 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by lilyannerose - December 2, 2010 at 12:46 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 12:23 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - October 28, 2010 at 10:57 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Jaysyn - October 28, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 12:20 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 12:49 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - October 28, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 11:53 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - October 28, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theophilus - October 28, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 3:47 pm
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - October 31, 2010 at 9:38 pm
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2010 at 6:15 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 1, 2010 at 1:14 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 4, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 4, 2010 at 5:48 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - November 4, 2010 at 7:08 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 4, 2010 at 7:30 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - November 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 4, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 4, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 4, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 4, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by coffeeveritas - November 5, 2010 at 4:45 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 5, 2010 at 11:32 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 5, 2010 at 10:37 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 6, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 6, 2010 at 7:43 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by coffeeveritas - November 8, 2010 at 6:18 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theVOID - November 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by coffeeveritas - November 13, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 15, 2010 at 12:00 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by cdog - November 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Godschild - November 15, 2010 at 5:46 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theVOID - November 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 6, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 8, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 13, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by coffeeveritas - November 14, 2010 at 1:49 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by cdog - November 15, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 20, 2010 at 2:43 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 17, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theophilus - November 30, 2010 at 1:45 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - November 30, 2010 at 2:57 pm
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Justtristo - December 1, 2010 at 2:27 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Minimalist - December 1, 2010 at 3:22 am
RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by theophilus - December 1, 2010 at 11:32 am
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RE: Bart D. Ehrman - The Bane of Fundies! - by Anomalocaris - December 7, 2010 at 1:29 pm
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