RE: Anti-Vaxxer Sympathy
September 7, 2015 at 9:49 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm by Aractus.)
Besides the phrase victim-blaming I didn't describe parents as victims, I described them as patients.
As I mentioned before you're the one who's labelling people. If someone doesn't want to do something you label them as "anti-". If you can't see the problem with that then you really are lost.
Yes there are a few nut-cases who are extreme in their views and are wilfully ignorant. But the vast majority of people who don't get their children immunised cannot be accurately described as belonging to that group.
Furthermore as I repeatedly pointed out to you we do not need 100% immunisation, we only need 95%. Any more than that has no net communal benefit. So there's absolutely no truth to the statement that parents who don't immunise their children "provide a reservoir in which microbes may evolve resistance". Once you get to 95% it doesn't matter about the other 5%. As I clearly mentioned we are almost at 95% here in Australia so there's only a small improvement that needs to be made, once that's done the few remaining people who don't get their children immunised for whatever reasons won't matter at all - but what will matter are the reasons behind why they don't do it.
Stop blaming the patients. If you want to blame anyone blame doctors, nurses, and pharmacists for not communicating the need to their patients effectively. Medical treatment is not something that should be self-diagnosed. So the very idea that you have that people should recognise this themselves is disingenuous.
Schools provide education, not healthcare. So it is not at all surprising that some parents don't want a school to administer vaccines to their children. They slip through the net often because they don't follow it up by getting advice from their GPs, and their GPs don't bother to actively engage their clients to get their children immunised.
As I've clearly explained now, several times, parents are not to blame; and it doesn't matter if some of them choose not to immunise their children. There's no need to call it selfish, as long as 95% are immunised it doesn't matter whether the last 5% are or aren't. Individual cases do not matter, and labelling and blaming individual parents is wrong. One single individual family not immunising their children provides no statistically relevant increased risk of an outbreak.
As I mentioned before you're the one who's labelling people. If someone doesn't want to do something you label them as "anti-". If you can't see the problem with that then you really are lost.
Yes there are a few nut-cases who are extreme in their views and are wilfully ignorant. But the vast majority of people who don't get their children immunised cannot be accurately described as belonging to that group.
Furthermore as I repeatedly pointed out to you we do not need 100% immunisation, we only need 95%. Any more than that has no net communal benefit. So there's absolutely no truth to the statement that parents who don't immunise their children "provide a reservoir in which microbes may evolve resistance". Once you get to 95% it doesn't matter about the other 5%. As I clearly mentioned we are almost at 95% here in Australia so there's only a small improvement that needs to be made, once that's done the few remaining people who don't get their children immunised for whatever reasons won't matter at all - but what will matter are the reasons behind why they don't do it.
Stop blaming the patients. If you want to blame anyone blame doctors, nurses, and pharmacists for not communicating the need to their patients effectively. Medical treatment is not something that should be self-diagnosed. So the very idea that you have that people should recognise this themselves is disingenuous.
Schools provide education, not healthcare. So it is not at all surprising that some parents don't want a school to administer vaccines to their children. They slip through the net often because they don't follow it up by getting advice from their GPs, and their GPs don't bother to actively engage their clients to get their children immunised.
As I've clearly explained now, several times, parents are not to blame; and it doesn't matter if some of them choose not to immunise their children. There's no need to call it selfish, as long as 95% are immunised it doesn't matter whether the last 5% are or aren't. Individual cases do not matter, and labelling and blaming individual parents is wrong. One single individual family not immunising their children provides no statistically relevant increased risk of an outbreak.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
