Anti-Vaxxer Sympathy

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Secondly how do you suppose anyone is going to contract the disease when no one has it?

How can you assume no one has it? Simply because you've met a statistical goal doesn't mean you've eradicated a disease. Polio was declared "eradicated", yet it is still extant, for exactly the reason you listed -- that even immunized folks can get a disease. Yet here, you're assuming that inoculation confers immunity, and provides for eradication. You're trying to have it both ways.

I'm tell you that it's morally wrong to blame patients for the failings of healthcare delivery.

I know what you're telling me. I disagree with your view on the matter, because I know for a fact that in many cases it isn't a "failure of health-care delivery", it's people latching on to something a celebrity said on a talk-show who take up the cause themselves, reading biased literature along the way, and deliberately avoiding unbiased information. Those people do not deserve my respect, and whether or not you think I'm moral or immoral doesn't really matter to me.

Your labelling of people as "anti-vaxxers" is not helpful. You're simply looking to the extremes.

Actually, it's the extremes that I'm addressing.

I already explained to you there is not just one reason why a person doesn't vaccinate their child. Put it this way - let's say you open a business and you sell a product that you think the public wants. And potential consumers come to you, and some of them are put off because you are mean, arrogant, forceful and disrespectful. From your point of view it's "their fault" that they don't want your service, but from their point of view you didn't earn their trust, and because of their experience they don't want to buy products from your company.

This idea that patients are to blame for not seeking and receiving the medical advice and services that they need is WRONG. It's backwards.

Except that many are, including the lady in the OP's video.

If there's a problem it is not on their end - end of story. It's on the side of healthcare services - they're the ones who need to ensure they're offering products and services that don't push their customers out the door never to return.

Justify your blanket absolution.

Even in your extremist argument - "well some people say they are against vaccination". Yes. Some - a small minority compared to the total number of people who don't vaccinate.

Source this claim with specific numbers, please.

However, for many of those people it will not be because they are "intellectually objected" that will be a secondary reason and you will find that in the majority of cases, even where people say they object, the primary reason is something else. Their doctor was rude or inconsiderate to them once. They had some other negative experience with healthcare at some time. They have legitimate concerns that haven't been listened to or addressed.

Source this claim with specific numbers, please.

There are many reasons why people who should access a health service that you think is important fail to do so. It's not at all limited to vaccination, and if you want to address it you have to fix the services not fix the patients.

Well, we're talking about vaccination, and we both know there's a hell of a lot of woo about on the matter. Pretending that it's all the health-industry's fault -- and that wooists are not responsible for their own views -- doesn't seem supportable to me.