RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
September 10, 2015 at 11:28 am
(September 10, 2015 at 11:14 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 10, 2015 at 10:44 am)Neimenovic Wrote: You guys just don't get it, do you?
It's ok when xtians do it, because they're obviously right. All the other religions are just yknow, fucking around.
I'm deeply offended by religious statues of any kind, but I guess I'd have to be xtian for that to count.
Vic, neither me nor Chad is saying we're offended by statues of other religions. It's not like I get offended when I see something Jewish or Hindu or whatever. I honestly don't really care. This is a clear strawman.
Cath, he's being sarcastic. We understand that you're only offended by the (very narrow view, I think) that one statue's symbology is offensive because it "shows aggression toward" the other statue, somehow, or the adherents who placed it there... which is, of course, the whole reason it was placed there by the Satanists, in order to trigger a defensive reaction from the majority-group that normally feels so arrogant in its domination of this culture that few other methods would reach them.
What we're trying to get you to understand is the concept of Privilege. You have the luxury of choosing whether or not to be offended by other religious displays because yours is still the dominant element of the culture, and so other religious minorities may be effectively ignored.
When we try to explain it to you, you just shrug and say "well it doesn't bother me", thus missing our point completely, and marginalizing the perspective of the minority groups, including us. So listen well: it's not about whether it's equally okay for Hindus to get together and put up a statue.
Placing an icon of the dominant faith on a courthouse or other public property/building that all the people who live in this multi-faith (pluralistic), secular society must share, tells everyone not of that dominant faith that they are second-class citizens, that their oaths and testimonies in the courtroom mean just a little bit less, that they are under the overarching thumb of the dominant class. This is made even worse by the Christian history of doing just that in western culture, to the point that we refer to the breaking of that total dominance as "The Rebirth" (re-naissance) and "The Enlightenment".
Those monuments to the Ten Commandments, as I have shown with words in a previous post, show a defiance of the Bill of Rights and the entire Age of Reason that terrifies us, we who know history and have suffered the social barbs of rejecting the dominant faith of this nation. If you really thought it through, it would scare you, too, if you are a person of good conscience who truly cares about your fellow Americans, your fellow human beings.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.