Anti-Vaxxer Sympathy

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Did you even read the WHO link that you posted? [edit] So what exactly about that WHO article are you claiming I disagree with?

To answer: yes and nothing. I was helping make your point about vaccine education more effectively than your other links. It's not that you don't have a point about some individuals/groups/herds being hesitant or refusing. The US has the same (or at least similar) issues with Native Americans. My guess is that natives of Alaska and some tight knit immigrant groups in the US can be included also.

It's just that your point (healthcare delivery fails) is not the only issue that is going on. That is what I (and I believe others here) have been trying to get across.

I can't speak for Aus, but in the US ever since vaccinations were tied to autism (falsely) there has been concerted efforts by the alternative medicine factions (i.e. homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors, and physician quacks..........) to foster that belief, partially/primarily for profit. It did not help that the vaccination/autism falsehood evidence took so long to come to light. During the "we're not sure" time the alternative medicine faction built up support and followers through a number of methods (media, celebrity endorsement, protests.....). Again, I don't know about Aus, but in the US, the media did not promote the safety of vaccinations (no autism link) with any where near the same zeal as when they were thought unsafe. It would not get the same ratings so it was not done. Not one public figure (at least that I know of) has publicly admitted that they (even might) have been wrong. We are now living with the aftermath of that original falsehood. The "vaccines are not safe" mentality is unfortunately ingrained into part of the US society.

So, until that can be corrected (which at this point may take a tragedy), my position is that the vaccine hesitant/refusers (for what ever reason, and who are in the minority but still pose a significant health threat) need to understand that you just can't say no without consequences. We have day care and school attendance consequences now, but I think additional consequences need to be adopted (see prior post). I'm hesitant about paying taxes, I don't understand and fear them. Can I just say no and not pay without out consequences? I hesitant about taking a drivers test (fear of failing), can I just not take it and continue to drive? I know, not nearly the same but it does make a point.

Do you have any response related to herd immunity problems? Individual immunization does not matter?

Does this clear the air or do we need to continue? Or we can agree to disagree. Your choice.