RE: Apologetics open challenge
September 11, 2015 at 9:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2015 at 9:12 pm by Mystic.)
(September 10, 2015 at 11:15 am)Pyrrho Wrote:(September 9, 2015 at 12:01 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I nearly forgot about this thread.
Here's another argument:
God cannot decide what objective morality is, or else it would be arbitrary.
Objective morality thus cannot be created by God.
If God cannot create objective morality and decide what is, then neither can evolution, as God can create evolution.
Objective morality exists.
Thus objective morality is eternal.
Objective morality takes a perception to see.
Thus an eternal being who perceives objective morality always existed.
I rather like your statement:
"God cannot decide what objective morality is, or else it would be arbitrary."
I think that is exactly correct. And why god is irrelevant to morality.
But rather than attack your premise that objective morality exists (which I would not want to try to prove to be either true or false), I object to your claim that objective morality must be perceived. Why can't objective morality exist without being observed? It is certainly not the normal way to think of things that exist. Pluto was not observed before the 20th century; does that mean it did not exist before then?
I think it's obvious by it's nature, that it requires perception or itself is type of perception. Just think about it. It's not something that exists like a physical object but is experienced via consciousness in a particular way and is either spiritual (if you believe in soul reality of it) or is via experience (true even if you take purely materialist approach).