(September 15, 2015 at 9:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: You believe what you do because you do not know God. Yes some children are talked into believing I've seen it happen, they are the ones who usually leave Christianity. I know plenty of children that have chosen Christ and have been in a very good relationship with God. If there where plenty of evidence for Christ, enough to convince you then where would the choice be, it wouldn't. You as many others would jump on the salvation train wanting you ticket punched for heaven, but where would be the love, the love for God instead of the selfish desire just to be in heaven. You see it's more than having evidence about Christ, it's about the love of Christ and what He did for you. So you and the others that insist on evidence (proof) will never get it until you have chosen the unseen Savior and that's when He will reveal himself to you with the evidence you were seeking.
GC
You missed the entire premise of my point: If god exists, then god is unreasonable. He expects people to believe in, worship, and follow him. And if they do not, then he sends them to a place of eternal torment. Without evidence, this is completely unreasonable.
God doesn't reveal evidence for himself once you choose the unseen 'savior'. When you choose the unseen savior you let confirmation bias convince you that God is actually real because that is what you want to be real.
Besides, Christ's disciples allegedly (according to the bible) witnessed the miracles of Jesus first hand. They weren't required to choose to see the unseen savior, they saw him with their own eyes first, and then accepted him. What sort of god would expect others to set aside reason to believe in him to show evidence, and those that don't he sends to a place of eternal torment.
Not to mention that Adam and Eve in the same book conversed with God, and yet still they disobeyed him. As did David, and as did many others. Knowing god does not mean that you cannot or will not disobey him. So the free will argument is nothing but a pile of bullshit.
This god of yours doesn't sound remotely reasonable. Nor does he sound remotely loving. Which to me suggests that he would not have sacrificed himself to save the souls of anyone, because a non-loving god would not do that. And a loving god would not have expectations of faith before reason.
