(September 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Since all reasoning, including the process of proving a conclusion, is conscious activity, and consciousness is consciousness of something, the primacy of existence is a necessary precondition of proof. One does not need to prove the primacy of existence since it is validated in every instance of consciousness. Thus the primacy of consciousness is false and existence, exists independently of consciousness. Wishing it so, does not make it so. Dreams do not alter reality. Minds cannot control reality nor project a different reality.I never said nothing exists... I said mind is fundamental, ie, it exists but matter does not. I see no reason why you can't be conscious of concepts. after all, when I dream i'm not conscious of the physical world. i'm conscious of the contents of my dream. you can claim the dream is caused by material interactions, but the contents nonetheless are immaterial and I am conscious of them.
our minds do not affect this reality. but if you have a lucid dream, your mind can affect that. all that tells you, however, is our mind is not dreaming up the world. it comes from something external to our mind, which could be a different mind...
Captain Scarlet Wrote:Take this thread and the processes leading to its creation. To consider idealism you have had to listen to and|or read information pertaining to the subject. You have had to then consider thoughts of others using information from their sensory perceptions. You have then assumed the physical world is real and that we can understand and see your posts through physical media. You have posted using touch to validate keyboard entry. If you spoke instead of posted and said: "idealism is true and empiricism is false". You would have to assume that you could hear yourself correctly to ensure you said what you said and not something contradictory.if by real you mean the world is outside my mind; then yes, I consider the world real. but that doesn't mean the world isn't derived from a mind external to my own. in other words, I consider the world functionally real but not objectively real. the world doesn't exist beyond perception, but you can use it to interact with other minds who are all experiencing the same world just as you are.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo