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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 17, 2015 at 7:04 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote:
(September 17, 2015 at 3:41 am)bennyboy Wrote: I don't really need to convince myself.  Everything that I experience, including the apparent physical world, is mind.  The default position is that I don't need to add anything else, i.e. specify the nature of the source of experience which is not really demonstrable anyway.

But basically, yes.  The only difference between a physical world and an idealistic one, in terms of living my life, is that one seems a better fit and the other not so much.  It has little to do with the nature of experience which one I believe.


Mind is the faculty of consciouness  ->  
Conciousness is the is the state of being aware of an external objects and oneself (but it is not the state only of self-awareness, otherwise you would be conscious only of your own consciousness) -> 
Awareness is gained through sense perception of the enviornment -> 
The senses are self authenticating given any attempt to inavlidate them requires their validity -> 
Thus as senses detect objective external reality, external objective reality is real.  Existence, exists.

Everything I experience is of an objective physical world and its causality (including self-awareness, ideas, etc).  The default position is that I do not need to add anything else, ie a world of make-believe where there is only mind, and a mind or minds controlling reality

I don't accept your definitions.

Mind is the arena in which experiences and ideas unfold.  Consciousness means that someone is subjectively aware of the process of experience.  Whether the "objects" of awareness are internal or external doesn't matter.

Nor does it even matter to the idealistic argument whether those objects ARE external to the self, since nobody here is arguing solipsism.  What matters with regards to establishing a default argument is whether they represent more than I experience them as-- specifically whether they are more than ideas with particular forms.  How, using your experiences, would you prove that your "objective" world is not, for example, the Mind of God, or the Matrix?  One cannot.  Therefore, the default position, since my interface with whatever-is-out-there is purely mental, is that whatever-is-out-there is a collection of concepts, ideas, and/or experiences.
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by bennyboy - September 17, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am

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