Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[Captain Scarlet]

This appears to be the rather lazy and armchair line of reasoning employed by Deepak Chopra.  The essence of it is that Idealism is sppoky, mysterious and hard to understand, Quantum Theory (QT) is spooky, mysterious and hard to understand.  Therefore QT supports Idealism.  You have to work a lot harder to connect Idealism and QT.  From my rather limited understanding of QT it does nothing at all to validate Idealism, whatever strange and spooky physics exists, it is part of our natural world be it 4, 10 or 11 dimensions, be it packets of energy, strings and branes or solid particles.

I'm not saying "it's mysterious therefore God" or "it's mysterious therefore idealistic."  I'm saying "the fundamental elements of reality cannot be expressed except as ideas."  I'm not saying we don't know about reality, I'm saying the reality we DO know is more consistent with an idealistic world view than a physicalist one.  If I'm wrong, then show me what a photon looks like, or even what physicists think it MIGHT look like.  Your argument seems to be a strawman attempt to spin into woo a simple obvservation about the best the science can currently say about reality.

If I am straw-manning you I apologise, that was not my intention.  You said:

“[snip].…. it means that the fundamental nature of reality is an expression of universal concepts, rather than concepts being an approximation of some other reality.

I think current physics supports this view, by the way.  Try and define, in physical terms, what a photon is…[snip]...sounds like an idea to me…..”

I submit that is just false.  Physics does not have clarity on what the true nature of reality is.  They have concepts in the form of models which make predictions about reality.  They are testing those models.  None of those models leap from:

- we do not know what matter is, to
- reality could be a projection of minds and not really there

Any attempt to leap from one to the other is, in my opinion, woo-woo and I thought thats exactly what you attempted.  QT is spooky and hard to understand and drove some of its early collaborators at the turn of the previous century into mystical thinking (like idealism) primarily because of the problem of quantum indetreminancy.  However things have moved on and the illogical leaps made by those early pioneers have been debunked both by thought and actual experiments.  Modern physics still has a long way to go but most now working in this field do not, for example, think consciouness controls reality and do not lend support to Idealism.  Again I apologise if I have mis-interpreted your views.